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    All three of them were amazing, but I like them, coincidentally, in the order that I read them. "Life" held a beauty and danger that was like a breath of fresh air despite the occasional (infrequent) sense of improper grammar, and when the action happened, it was bad ass; the second, "The Midnight Run",while still wonderful with its own mature grandeur, was a little dry to me. The third, untitled, was fun and engaging, but it almost seemed flat and half-hearted, like the person writing it knew what they wanted to do but had trouble stringing it together when the Cowboy showed up. Unfortunately it just isn't really my preferred type of story even though it is impressive, so I apologize if I seem a little critical. I enjoyed all three of them however, and I extend my well wishes and emphatic thank-you's to the competitors for writing such lovely stories for us.
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    Question

    I'll try and write a decent review. Got through the first, kinda skimmed the second, haven't looked at the third. But I'm a decent writer, even though I'm not an acting editor and have never really published anything. In the edit, I'll explain things.


    Edit: Here's my commentary as I go through them one by one.


    Entry #1:

    Using a Tab at the start of each paragraph would have been nice, or at least pressing Spacebar a few times (five or half a dozen would do, like I've done with this paragraph).
    The first paragraph gives a feeling that something might happen, there is no telling what. But the suspense is in my opinion a good way to start it off. Even when there's action, it's rather boring when it's choreographed and there is no variation, or even an attempt to hide what is going to happen. Some people like action right up front, but it becomes much more powerful when you don't know what will happen necessarily. That said, I'm a bit biased, and am not really into comic books and/or cartoons where the only thing that catches my attention is the bunch of action. With non-graphical writing, I'm not a big fan of onomatopoeia. I like the first paragraph.
    Second and third paragraphs provide insight into the character. Not necessarily the way to go when focusing on action, but then again, I still don't know what's going to happen.
    Fourth paragraph is more development of character. The tension at this point among the reader is high at this point, I feel most people have been waiting for something to happen and are kind of impatient if they are looking for action (read: most of the people in this thread because of the theme).
    Beyond this I find it hard to focus. It's undoubtedly a nice story, but it doesn't really fit the theme. Nonetheless, Entry #1 is a nice story, and I look forward to seeing the author write more in future contests.


    Entry #2:

    The other had too little action, but this one has too much for my tastes. Seems like another zombie/mob type thing at first. Also, the use of Paul Revere turns off knowledgeable historians like me. He didn't make his ride alone for one thing (he was with two others, one of them a doctor and the other the one who actually managed to carry the message to the Americans). And for another, he and the doctor were both captured and detained before reaching Boston. This stuff turns off readers like me. Some people are into it, I'm not. Apologies if this sounds elitist or overly snobbish, just stating the facts as I see them. That said, I'm not a 'general reader'.


    Entry #3:

    Very nice from what I'm seeing so far. Pirates and ninjas don't match IMO, but that kind of detail can easily be ignored given the story. Not totally filled with violent action, but there is definitely action going on. I like the captain booting the young boy who came to him with the scroll, very nice touch. A good amount of action, not hysterical though. This one gets my vote.
    Last edited by Swanmarkedblade; 03-08-2012 at 08:49 AM.

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    Comments! Alright... now about that Casual thread?
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    Congratulations Heroguy!



    It was a close battle that raged on for several days, but in the end it seems that the tale of a captain on the sea has enchanted a victory by a single vote! YARR!

    I believe that this is Heroguy's first WOTM Advanced win as well.

    Please PM Contra Fates about your winnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanmarkedblade View Post
    Entry #2:

    The other had too little action, but this one has too much for my tastes. Seems like another zombie/mob type thing at first. Also, the use of Paul Revere turns off knowledgeable historians like me. He didn't make his ride alone for one thing (he was with two others, one of them a doctor and the other the one who actually managed to carry the message to the Americans). And for another, he and the doctor were both captured and detained before reaching Boston. This stuff turns off readers like me. Some people are into it, I'm not. Apologies if this sounds elitist or overly snobbish, just stating the facts as I see them. That said, I'm not a 'general reader'.
    At the very real risk of biting the hand that feeds me....... Thank you for the review. I truly do appreciate the time you took to read and comment, and more people need to follow your lead here. Couple of points though, mostly because I really did go out of my way on this piece to be "historically accurate" (as it were) while moving the setting to a dystopian future. The biggest things I did to accomplish that were to cross-check all the characters involved. The three at the Old Church, for instance, were named and modeled (basically) after the three actual people who passed Revere the signal. You mentioned the other riders -- Dawes, on the phone, was one of the two, and the other was supposed to be passively implied. Deacon John Larkin, who offers Paul the car in this story, actually gave Paul Revere a fresh horse once he was out of Boston (also I think you misspoke -- "The Midnight Ride" began in Boston, and Revere was captured before reaching Lexington and Conchord).

    Still -- I definitely did alienate the "knowledgeable historian" crowd by taking my share of, if you can even call them "LIBERTIES" I don't know, that might be abusing the symbolism. The goal was just to have some fun reinventing a classic story that everybody basically knows into a gritty action-thriller, "with drugs and hookers and shit." No disrespect intended towards any actual history. Heck, if I've inspired a single person to fact-check me here, that means I've got one guy back in the schoolbooks, and I'll count that as a blessing. Thanks again for reading!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lancrist
    Entry #2 opens and immediately had me asking "what's going on here?" Things are not explained; things happen. Having action in the opening paragraph is also a good way to grab a reader's attention. Films do this.

    Entry #2 also has, in my opinion, superior syntax. The wording is concise and intelligent, not verbose or flowery.

    I also think the concept of entry #2 is more mature (that's just personal taste) and I like how it reinvents an historical event.
    And thanks to you as well. This is pretty much the reception I was aiming for -- "mature" in that dark and stylized sort of way, but not... well, "Verbose" is a perfect word and you used it. Thanks for the vote and the comments, glad you liked it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Jack
    I voted for Entry 2, because it seemed like the one with the best balance of writing/narrating quality and story-pacing - simple as that.
    Thanks. I don't wanna toot my own horn too much here, but pacing was a focus of mine here -- glad I connected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dudel
    I have a slight advantage in that I know who you is... but I’m gonna say something I’ve said countless times to you: Too much in too small a space. You need to pick a character, a single character, and focus on them. While it’s very action-y and paction-y it’s also very “I don’t care about your characters and am thus kind of bored of the random violence.”

    Of course I can’t care about characters when they don’t get enough face time. You stretch. You always stretch and I would like to see you focus your point of view. Pick one character, one setting, and one simple story to tell... then “GO!” You over complicate for what’s supposed to be a short story.

    Don’t do the thing with the lines, either. That’s an RP habit you’ve yet to break.

    Short: Focus!
    Ain't that the truth. One of these days I'm going to write an actual short-story, and it's going to be terrible, because I don't think I've done one since the contest started. It's always "OOOkay, reader, now imagine there's a whole novel on either side of this segment, okreadysetgo, wow I'm awesome right? Go me!" This time I made a conscious effort to actually resolve things at the end, but I'm still falling back on an existing narrative to tell the story for me, which means I'm leaving all you reading folk to do all the hard work for me. I thought I could maybe get away with it in the ACTION!!!!11! genre, but I'm not fooling Dudel, that's for damn sure. One of these days I'm gonna take your advice, and it's probably gonna be a winning entry.

    I will say this -- the line break isn't an RP habit (for me at least). It's what I use to do a scene change -- the word processor I use separates out individual scenes and lets me combine them into chapters in whatever order and amount I feel like, but when I'm not using that (for instance I wrote this in Word), I have to break it up for myself to visually know where one scene stops and the other begins. If anything it's a noveling habit! But yeah, for short stories there's probably no good reason whatsoever to have more than one scene. I get that. It's been raised before and I ignore it because I'm stubborn and dumb, not for any GOOD reason. I should've found some other way to work the "Two if by sea" signal into things and stuck with Paul the entire time.

    Thanks for the reviews and obviously for all the hard managerial shit you have to put up with as well. You da man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel
    #2 has my vote. It needs to work on it's pacing and well, give us a chance to get to like the characters before going into this. Here it was just all stretched out too wide and too thin. Focus on one or two, instead. The events are also a bit vague at times, but other than that it was by a long shot the best entry this week.
    Yep. Echoing Dudel before Dudel even spoke, which isn't as uncommon as it sounds because great minds think alike. The pacing was purely action-oriented here, which again I just sorta assumed I could do with impunity. Shame on you readers for wanting ME to make an actual character for you to identify with. What do you think I am -- a writer or something? I think I'm finally getting your collective messages, so next time look for a focused story and some actual character development. I'm not sure I can actually do both in short format, but I'll try. Thanks for the vote and the comments!

    Quote Originally Posted by WOTM
    Congratulations Heroguy!
    AND HOW!!


    Like I said, *perfect* entry for this contest dude. Perfect. I mean I wouldn't exactly go submitting it to the New York Times or anything but, yeah. When I pitched the idea for Action as a theme, this is exactly what I was hoping people would do. Balls to the wall, logic in the shitter and just have fun making shit blow up. You need to do that, from time to time, when you're writing. Probably. I guess not if you're writing self-help books or poetry collections or whatever. Still though. Oh, or auto-maintenance manuals. But yeah -- nice job, you earned a good win. Congrats!





    ----also------

    #1, whoever you is, you put together (IMO) probably the strongest stand-alone pick of the litter. That was beautiful, really, and clever in a lot of ways that just don't do *anything* to help an action story. But a regular story? Dude. Incredible. That was as good as any winner of any contest I've seen so far, or at the very least it's got that potential with a little cleaning up. Mega kudos to you too.
    Last edited by mdk; 03-10-2012 at 01:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdk View Post
    Trying something new here.



    At the very real risk of biting the hand that feeds me....... Thank you for the review. I truly do appreciate the time you took to read and comment, and more people need to follow your lead here. Couple of points though, mostly because I really did go out of my way on this piece to be "historically accurate" (as it were) while moving the setting to a dystopian future. The biggest things I did to accomplish that were to cross-check all the characters involved. The three at the Old Church, for instance, were named and modeled (basically) after the three actual people who passed Revere the signal. You mentioned the other riders -- Dawes, on the phone, was one of the two, and the other was supposed to be passively implied. Deacon John Larkin, who offers Paul the car in this story, actually gave Paul Revere a fresh horse once he was out of Boston (also I think you misspoke -- "The Midnight Ride" began in Boston, and Revere was captured before reaching Lexington and Conchord).

    Still -- I definitely did alienate the "knowledgeable historian" crowd by taking my share of, if you can even call them "LIBERTIES" I don't know, that might be abusing the symbolism. The goal was just to have some fun reinventing a classic story that everybody basically knows into a gritty action-thriller, "with drugs and hookers and shit." No disrespect intended towards any actual history. Heck, if I've inspired a single person to fact-check me here, that means I've got one guy back in the schoolbooks, and I'll count that as a blessing. Thanks again for reading!
    No hard criticism intended, I assure you. I try to keep an open mind about things. Bias is hard to avoid, even if you don't mean to be biased or are biased for the wrong reasons. Nonetheless, I do try to give an honest opinion, which includes whatever bias I have rather than hiding it. And I'd not been aware about the fact that you'd chosen the exact names I'd not remembered as well as the one I did remember. That alone was worth reading your response to my review. There is no true art without some meaning, and when the artist themselves explains their work, it provides some knowledge about what he or she was thinking or doing.

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    For short stories you want to focus on the feel, rather than the actual contents... as horrid as that might sound to any budding writer (especially those who are in the process of a degree of some such). Which is much easier when you pick a pony and stick with it.

    Thanks for the reviews and obviously for all the hard managerial shit you have to put up with as well. You da man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dudel View Post

    For short stories you want to focus on the feel, rather than the actual contents... as horrid as that might sound to any budding writer (especially those who are in the process of a degree of some such). Which is much easier when you pick a pony and stick with it.
    Valid.

    That's gotta be easier to read, too.

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    I will admit, after the first couple of reviews (especially Kestrel's) I had pretty much decided that I was not going to reveal myself this time and just call it an utter failure and move on, but the reviews that came thereafter managed to change that. Besides, my entry did get four votes - and ego-boosting praise from mdk - so it can't have been all bad.

    Perhaps needless to say at this point, I am the writer of Entry 1, Life. This was not an experiment in the same degree as Atlantis and the Angels, but I did try out some untested narrative techniques. I had several ideas for the theme, and this one was not even my first choice, but somehow I ended up with this because I apparently just can't handle writing without some kind of... sense. It's hard to explain, but whenever I went with one of my other, "cruder" ideas, it ended up seeming (to me) like something taken from a poor RP in the Free-section. I guess that's what you get when a novelist tries his hand at short stories.

    Anyway, thank you for your reviews and votes, and congratulations to Heroguy.
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