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    Quote Originally Posted by love that panda View Post
    It's not child abuse, but it is wrong. I'm in seventh grade now, I can't imagine any parent doing that to someone my at age.

    And they don't give the whole story really, Did he fail because he didn't study or did he fail because he just couldn't do it?

    And back to the age thing- This is probably the worst time in this kids life for the father to do this to him. He's just starting to become a teenager. O_o
    I agree pretty much entirely with this.
    If he was a student who could not be bothered, perhaps it will teach him a lesson, although a week seems a bit harsh >_>
    However, if he was someone who genuinely tried and just severely struggles in school with his academic prowess, this is just going to make him feel awful, ridiculed, and most importantly, won't fix the problem. In fact, if he feels it is pointless to try because he will fail and be mocked anyway, it may exacerbate the issue.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Scribz View Post
    It's not child abuse.

    It's emotional abuse. To anyone.

    Don't know about anyone else, but i'm going to be a pretty good dad when i'm older. And it's going to be through proactive fathering, not reactive.

    CHEERS.

    EDIT: As for the manner of emotional abuse, if it works it works that's fine. But maybe the parents should go back and think further than the simple "HMM WHY IS MY KID FAILING CLASSES? OH IT'S BECAUSE HE DOESN'T STUDY".

    Y'know, realize there's a reason the kid ain't studying. A personal conflict that, as a young person, probably doesn't have the personal resources or has developed the skills in which to resolve it in a good, productive way.
    ...Or it could be, as it was for me, I just didn't /want/ to study. So....

    Ya know...

    I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilla View Post
    ...Or it could be, as it was for me, I just didn't /want/ to study. So....

    Ya know...

    I didn't.
    Which shows a lack of perspective on what opportunities good grades bring along and/or a lack of motivation to express yourself through your studies and/or a lack of self management that can come from the aforementioned two, plus other things.

    Face it, as a 13 year old or whatever. Your environment throws your attention at other things, whether that's issues about how cool your are which is shows lacking self esteem and a based ego created through (at some point) in your child hood the idea that you're not good enough.

    There's also the idea of instant gratification through video games and other shit which shows a lack of the long forgotten skill to self amuse. (Think about amusing yourself on a farm that has no electricity or communication to the outside world, or board games, or whatever).

    There's also the idea that often people don't want to study because the other two have gotten them to the point where the problem seems to big to face, or approach.

    ALL of those things are skills and perspectives and attitudes that should be cultivated in anyone to ensure that they are well rounded individuals and can self-sustain their own meaning of worth and happiness in the world.

    And the sad thing is, we only usually get that nowadays (if you're lucky) as early as your late teens.

    And I only got that through indirectly opening my eyes to self help by the means of trying a fairly "petty" need of wanting to get laid. Not everyone is that lucky to find it.

    Point is: Forcing this shit on children may "tick the box" to those parents who are only ignorant enough to see the surface of things.

    But it dampers critical thought, and makes them to have attitudes too much like their parents. If their parents ain't perfect, chances are they'll inherit their parents psychological and emotional trauma's or just become a product of it. And it goes on and on and on and on and on.

    A child a parent has is a human being that is constantly learning and building a reality to which they will one day have to steer through based on what you teach them, and how you treat them. And you're going to treat them like this? You're going to purposely treat them like this, hoping it's traumatic enough that they remember it?

    If you've been treated this way by your parents and you learn to realize it's because they love you, they may very well do. But any "thanks for doing that to me" response from you can be called a parallel to Stockholm syndrome on my part.

    So for any parents that want to throw their children out to the streets to humiliate them for failing to show them a reason as to "Why they're doing this", or as to "What they can achieve" beyond the repeated answer of "Because I say so". Knowing fine well that their entire existence is based on your actions.

    Take some fucking responsibility.
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    No doubt it shows a lack of perspective and the rest of the shit you said, but that doesn't mean he had something else distracting him. I didn't study through most of school, and still managed to pass. Even when I was going through a rather rough neighborhood, and unstable home.

    If he wanted to pass his classes, he could have... everyone I know who fails that many classes... /don't try/, at any age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilla View Post
    ...Or it could be, as it was for me, I just didn't /want/ to study. So....

    Ya know...

    I didn't.
    xD

    I sure as hell didn't. I got all f's and d's throughout middle school.

    The only thing that could make this punishment even remotely respectable is if the parent dawned a sign that said, "I didn't care enough about my son's grades to help him out with school, and my lack of parenting has resulted in his three f's. Honk if you think I'm a shitty parent."

    A 7th grade kid is the result of how he was raised till the 6th grade. If he's doing bad, the parents can surely take partial blame, as they are the major guiding influence in the kids life.

    Also, if you give enough of a fuck to put your kid on the side of the road letting everyone know his grades were bad, then you should care enough to watch your kids progress and NOTICE when the grades start declining and confront the issue then.

    They still do progress reports right? Or did that stop since I left school last May? This parent is a joke.
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    They still did progress reports up until I got out... a lot of people just don't show them to parents...

    I didn't. ROFL.

    Fuck that shit. They didn't need to know how bad I was doing in a particular class, because I just didn't give a fuck and I /had/ several people asking me daily if i had homework, if I was doing it, etc., etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scribz View Post
    There's also the idea of instant gratification through video games and other shit which shows a lack of the long forgotten skill to masturbate self amuse. (Think about amusing touching yourself on a farm that has no electricity or communication to the outside world, or board games, or whatever or porn).
    That's all I got from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilla View Post
    They still did progress reports up until I got out... a lot of people just don't show them to parents...

    I didn't. ROFL.

    Fuck that shit. They didn't need to know how bad I was doing in a particular class, because I just didn't give a fuck and I /had/ several people asking me daily if i had homework, if I was doing it, etc., etc.
    That's when a parent goes, "bring me your progress report, or your grounded." That's good parenting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chile View Post
    That's all I got from this.
    Hey, masturbating is different.

    It takes time, it takes technique, and it shows that good things cum to those who put the work in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chile View Post
    That's all I got from this.

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    That's when a parent goes, "bring me your progress report, or your grounded." That's good parenting.
    "Didn't get one."

    Easy enough to say certain teachers don't give them out, just like some classes don't give out homework.

    That and when I had to show them, it was always to someone who would give me a stern talking too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scribz View Post
    So for any parents that want to throw their children out to the streets to humiliate them for failing to show them a reason as to "Why they're doing this", or as to "What they can achieve" beyond the repeated answer of "Because I say so". Knowing fine well that their entire existence is based on your actions.

    Take some fucking responsibility.
    This about sums up what I was getting at.
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