Reply With QuoteI really ought to stop making time predictions on my posts - it's pretty pointless it seems. I'll do it though, don't worry; I know I'm pretty much the catalyst for everyone's next post (except maybe Krimpy).
Well, at least Bleeder would know that it would work out, unlike Igdalmar Am, who managed to get quite frustrated with his new arm's dysfunctionality before he gained the ability to use it. (And half a day does not sound that bad unless something decides to attack him during that comparatively short span of time - the latter of which would incidentally also seal the statement of it not being his day. I would have guessed it takes longer myself.)
Else, I'm waiting for Ashgan's post(s), and also Aydan's, since Ryver probably wanted to ask Igdalmar Am something ... and maybe Jack's too, depending on whether Bleeder would have much to react to.
I really ought to stop making time predictions on my posts - it's pretty pointless it seems. I'll do it though, don't worry; I know I'm pretty much the catalyst for everyone's next post (except maybe Krimpy).
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Sorry, jazz festival popped up. Rubbish memory. Post commencing now.
Gee my post took forever didn't it? Well, there you go. I don't even know why that took so long. ._.
Note for Hymu: Feel free to murder that disgusting little wretch in your next post if you wish; I don't feel like it's necessary for me to do a confirmation on the kill should you choose to go for it. I'm not sure though how I can get Doll to find interest in this whole quest thingy. Maybe she'll be introduced to some other characters if she wanders off, and will find her way to the others at a later point? What's your thoughts on this?
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Well, it seems that whoever attempts to set an estimated time of arrival for a post will end up trailing past it by at least a bit, myself included. Thusly doing so can indeed be concluded to be fairly pointless.
I'll probably post in TP before I do here, but either case I'm inclined to wait out Aydan before I continue with Igdalmar Am's doings...
Okay, with Ashgan's new post I guess we can conclude that Lady Moonshine at the very least was alive once, so I guess that she really is a spirit of some kind... although from the way the magic she lends work and the fact that she seems immune to the power of the lantern would suggest that she is not an ordinary specimen of them (anymore?). It also seems that she isn't inside the lantern, per se, but just sort of in its vicinity... so she probably isn't trapped inside it, either. Though it could still be feasible that she is bound to it and prohibited from leaving its vicinity, it now seems more likely that the lantern is purely a device meant to protect her, not restrain her.
This also raises new questions about Elizier... although he has certainly been made to look extremely powerful, we have not had confirmation that he is anything other than a highly unusual Undead. One could even think that he was not as bad as he was made to look, judging by the Vanguard's opinion of him. But if Lady Moonlight dictates that his defeat (not death) is the first step towards "mending" Morwenth, then he must either be doing something very bad and dangerous... or be something very bad and dangerous. That, or Lady Moonshine is deceiving people to follow her orders for some reason or another, and there is an ulterior motive to ensuring Elizier's defeat.
Another thing also occurs to me... Undead are practically immortal in that no matter how much they are chopped up, crushed, burned or disintegrated, their soul will always keep clinging to the largest piece of it - and given time, an Undead soul can adapt to new limbs. Wouldn't this technically mean that any Undead, even one so utterly destroyed that only dust or ashes remained, could potentially be restored by building up a new body around the remains of the old one? This would mean that it truly is utterly impossible to kill an Undead, and that no matter how thoroughly obliterated an Undead is, it can always be revived.
I also had another related thought: even if the body of an Undead is damaged, or loses parts, its soul remains intact, right? The soul is somehow able to adapt to missing a limb or having an additional one, yet having more limbs won't make it "bigger" in terms of power, nor will losing a limb make it "smaller". Additionally, Sorcery in Morwenth is something that relies entirely on the mind and soul of the caster, and requires no tracing of sigils, citation of incantations or even waving of hands - it is something invoked solely through the inversion of the positive energy of the soul into the negative energy of Sorcery.
You can probably guess what I am getting at. Technically, would that not mean that no matter how much an Undead is damaged, even if reduced to the point where it would be the closest to being dead they possibly could; ashes, dust or crumbled pieces... No matter how bad the condition of the Undead body, they would still be able to use Sorcery. Right? Because the soul is intact. So... would that not make trying to stop Elizier pretty hopeless, seeing as he is a Sorcerer? Hmm...
I also just had another thought, just now while I was writing. Sorcery is the inversion of positive energy of the soul into negative energy... but I bet it doesn't work the other way around, does it? It's a one-way process. So... could the current state of Morwenth be caused by too much positive energy (life) being converted to negative energy (death)? Something to ponder...
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Plus, the narrative before that (in a previous post) referred to her having had a home long time ago, and she herself mentioned her mother to Igdalmar Am. Seems truly that the main question about her nature would be what sets her apart from normal spirits...Originally Posted by Dark Jack
(It has been said, though, that spirits who inhabit undead can be used to fuel the inhabited undead's sorcery... I'd presume the Lady might be offering Igdalmar the same, or at least something relatively similar. - Relatedly, if Igdalmar Am were to 'call upon her strength', would the sorcery still manifest as his lightning?)
Hmm... And that could indeed be a bit problematic (as far as eliminating them goes) if an undead's soul could keep clinging to no matter how small piece. That is, unless from some point on the piece would become too small to properly host a soul, or if the soul could be extracted by some means. Or perhaps from some point onward, the entire soul would no longer be within the piece, but rather indeed clinging to it, which could supposedly make it more vulnerable. (...Perhaps that's why we have the lantern for? It's not that inconceivable that being properly - not by inhabitance - bound to a physical body is what does not let it do anything to the undead in its current vicinity. - By now it furthermore seems quite obvious that the black figures described are indeed undead.)
- Also, note that Ashgan has said that excessive use of sorcery essentially can destroy (deplete) a soul... Though hopefully it does not mean we'd have to figure out a way how to make Elizier put himself out.
...The world being put to such a state by too much positive energy being converted to negative energy? Well, given that life typically can produce more life, and that destructive forces typically tend to be spent while those are at work, I'd guess it by itself would not suffice.
- It would be another matter if the destructive forces, rather than being spent on destroying things as common logic dictates, somehow accumulated in the world instead of being used up. Another possibility (which I consider more plausible) is that something (including Elizier, perhaps?) constantly keeps adding huge amounts of destructive energy into the world, and life-energy simply can't keep up with it, as a result being slowly eroded away in its entirety.
Or oppositely, life is getting weaker (having 'tired' itself out or by some other means), a process which would probably be quickened by amounts of positive energy being additionally converted to destructive one, but not be caused by it [I]per se.[/I
Some good stuff right there you two. While I won't make any revelations with my comments, I will address some of the questions you had that I can and should answer.
First of all, I'd perhaps need to clarify myself on Moonshine's behalf: she does actually insinuate that Elizier needs to "die". Since Undead don't really die in the traditional sense she, and I too, usually refer to an Undead's death as its destruction, defeat, or otherwise. Of course, defining an Undead's death is a challenge in the first place, so I guess this whole point could be further debated... let's just say she wants more than his mere surrender, but more on that when the time is right.
As for Undead being infinitely restorable that... I guess could be a theoretical possibility, but little more than that. Say you actually reduce an Undead to mere dust, there's just no way to realistically restore that person. Your point about Undead being able to continue to use Sorcery even after being reduced to remains and less, now that is an extremely interesting thought that, again, I never thought of myself so far. I guess yeah, that would probably work because like you said, Sorcery does not rely on any body part per se to be invoked. However, most common kinds of Sorcery do require some sort of target or goal in mind, more often than not the destruction of a particular entity. If your body is a mere pile of dust, you're not really able to determine a clear cut target anymore I'd say, since your whole perception of reality is completely different to that which we perceive through our senses. In fact, I doubt a completely obliterared Undead would be able to perceive reality at all and not just continue to exist as a consciousness in a colorless, soundless, odorless void of nothingness (a somewhat frightening prospect). Still, your point stands; Sorcery should be theoretically doable for them and that could end up being a problem for our characters or even Morwenth.
And to Shien: Yes, what Moonshine is offering is essentially the benefit of inhabitance, that is, for Igdalmar to draw upon her soul's power in the stead of his own. This means that his sorcery would still manifest as it normally would for him because the energy granted is nothing special or otherwise abnormal in itself, the only noteworthy aspect of which may be the fact that it exists in a significant quantity in Moonshine; much more so than you'd expect even from a Spirit. The only reason for his sorcery to become more akin to Moonshine is if, perhaps after a few years of inhabitance, his mind and memories became so entangled with Moonshine's that he to becomes insane like some of the Undead that choose to live next to a Sanctuary in that he actually believes himself to be Moonshine to some extent, and thus also cast Sorcery as she would.
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The thought of one needing to perceive and aim for a target with Sorcery occurred to me, too, even while I was writing my former post... but it has already been pointed out in the context of Undead that were blind as Living that Undead are capable of adapting to the lack of senses by acquiring new ones, or even creating entirely new ways of perceiving the world - ways that are not necessarily reliant on eyes, ears, nose, tongue or body. An Undead with such an unnatural sixth sense would still be able to perceive the world around it even when destroyed thusly (at least my logic tells me so), and even if they do not have such a sixth sense, I would think that it would be natural for a destroyed Undead existing "as a consciousness in a colorless, soundless, odorless void of nothingness" to escape these conditions by developing new ways to perceive something - anything around them... which in turn would allow them to sense potential targets for Sorcery. Heck, a Sorcerer like Elizier might even reanimate himself, somehow... though I will leave that at that, seeing as it sounds as though someone already has plans as for how to handle that old bag'o'bones.
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You're actually completely right about that Jack; only, it's probably very difficult to achieve this, let alone know that it can be achieved (that is, perception without the necessary "tools"). Still, it's possible, and an interesting aspect of Undeath in its own right. As far as Elizier's powers are concerned, I guess you'll find out sooner or later just what the self proclaimed emperor of Velerath is capable of.
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