As someone who tries to find an explanation for the stuff I write, I wanted to make something that explains the nature of mana, magic, universes, souls, auras and whatnot. This is purely a hypothesis and has little basis in reality, but I think it works well as a generally accepted theory in my fiction, as it also connects to physics, chemistry and biology. So if you're ready, here's a wall of text, that may just help you out in magical RP's!
A Guide to Magic, the Soul and the Multiverse
The Lowest Level
Mana is the very basic fabric of everything in existence. It should be clear, from this point forward, that if you go down and down on the scale of particles, and go from molecules to atoms, from atoms to nucleons/electrons, to quarks and so on, you’ll even get to the so-called ‘strings’ that actually pulsate in 10 dimensions. Eventually you'd come across something that you can't really see. But that something is the structure of mana.
The Nature of Mana
There are a number of different ways atoms can be put together make various kinds of molecules. The same counts for mana and everything in reality, like the ten dimensions, the fabric of space-time, the natural forces, like gravity and electromagnetism, and matter and energy. Indeed, this means that wherever there is no mana, that doesn’t exist. Out of existence, not even the concept 'empty' or 'zero' applies, because those are things you can actually know. One more thing about mana is the fact that mana is absolutely analog, rather than digital. There can be incredibly high or near-zero concentrations of mana, because it’s not a collection of particles that take up space; it’s one smooth transition, much like water on a large scale.
So, mana structures make everything else. This means that if a structure would be changed, what was at the place of that structure will become something different. It could be a grass hill turning into an airplane, or the strength of a planet’s gravity becoming a faster flow of time. Moreover, while matter stays at rest (at least in certain reference frames), the mana that is in you now, or that computer you are using, is different at the end of this sentence. Only the structure remained at place, but the mana that makes a structure keeps moving in various directions and will then become part of another structure.
Creation of the Universe
In the space between universes (Yes, I'm using the Bubble-universe theory) is a space, which is often considered infinite (although nobody actually knows for sure), filled with raw mana. It has minimal structure, and just swirls around. Here is where the vast majority of all mana resides, but the significant differences in amount even there makes the mana storm around with significant force. Sometimes, on rare occasions, that mana clashes into other mana in a certain way, resulting in a rather complex and very dense structure, so that a universe can be created. It might be difficult to believe that random interactions of mana have a greater chance of becoming a universe than an atom, but it’s just so. See the next paragraph.
When mana collides, the things that have the most chance of happening are those that are the most basic in reality, and such a thing is the universe. Within that, mana flows in calmer, but more irrationally fixed ways. The only reason universes aren’t created within universes is due to the fact that the structure required to initiate a vast and expanding sphere that consumes more mana as it grows, is very dense and concentrated. Such a thing can only naturally happen in the unformed space outside universes, where the amount of mana is great and flows with incredible force. Something like a star, on the other hand, can only be created inside a universe, where the form of flow is much different than outside the universe and where it’s the higher where of reality that does most of the work (with mana structures forming as a result).
Expansion and Monkeys
From the point where this structure was created, the Big Bang starts, and the universe starts to grow. The edge of the universe already has a structure, and when it grows, its structure becomes larger, taking more mana into itself. Within the universe, the same sorts of things happen, but to things that already have structure (shortly after the universe is created). I’ll go ahead and skip a part of time, to the young Earth. What you will learn here and in the next paragraph will help visualize an analogy for the practice of magic, later on. The Earth started off rocky and was fed the right amount of lightning, lava, water and whatnot to shape itself, and eventually -after billions of years- allow for certain chemical activities to produce a self-replicating molecule. Now, since the moment life was created there was roughly only one way to go, if nothing outside of that system intervened with it. If it just takes it course, and develops only from the inside out, it's 'natural'. If something happens from the outside in, to alter that process, it's 'artificial'. Up until the point the humans were born, everything happened natural. Well, mostly natural. Monkeys learned to use sticks before we existed, which is essentially is a change to the course of nature.
Forces of Artifice
When the humans learned certain things, they could bend their surroundings to their will. A piece of wood wouldn't naturally combine with a piece of rock, to form a spear. We did it ourselves, so it’s artificial. Much later in time: houses didn't just appear with nature flowing its own course. If another system intervenes with the natural flow, to make it different, it has to be artificial. Do note that if that artificial ‘something’ is still close to nature, it is easier to do. Gathering some sticks to build a campfire is easy, and scratching a flint to make fire isn’t all that difficult either. However, if you want to build an airplane from scratch, it's rather far away from nature so it takes much more effort.
Rest of the Multiverse
Back onto mana and the universe. All mana is the same – certain quantities only differ in structure. Now, since it all should follow the same natural flow, only changed by artificial influence, most universes should end up somewhat like ours. The species are never exactly the same, and the color of things may vary, and the strength of the four powers of the universe, one of which is gravity. But because they all follow a similar natural way, the universes are actually comparable to ours, within, say, a difference of 0.3 to 3 times the magnitude of something. That’s why you will be able to understand -although study may be required- what's going on, and what is in other planes of existence. You won't be completely surprised by the weird things of another nature, because the mana structure began the same way, and ended up not ridiculously different. Assuming the ratio I just set, the size of Earthlike planets may be one third of ours and have a double gravity, or they may be five times larger, with slightly less powerful gravity.
Magic: the Analogy
Now let’s move onto the actual magic. Notice I talked about 'the natural flow of mana', rather than 'magic'. That is because magic is only to bend mana to your will, and create your own structures. Magic is artificial and not natural. If a person casts a spell, it’s something that wouldn’t just happen out of nothing. It was an unnatural change to the natural structure of mana. This way you can create lightning, fire, wind and earthquakes, where they normally wouldn’t just appear. Do note, however, that these kinds of spells are still relatively close to nature. Such events do happen all the time on their own, so it’s not too difficult to replicate a natural event. However, the spells that are further away from nature are typically stronger, as shown by another analogy. All it takes to create an abacus is some wood, maybe some metal, put them together in a simple form, and maybe even paint it. A calculator, or a computer is much –much- stronger, but they are also much harder to make. All it takes to make a torch, to see in the dark, is to take a piece of wood, put something in it that can burn, and set it on fire. A light bulb, or something like that, lasts much longer. Though, it’s harder to make. The same counts for magic and its spells.
Cooking and Breathing
Luckily, we don’t have to think about complicated structures too much to make more artificial-like spells. In Fable, you can create flying swords. In Magic: the Gathering, you can set up a wall of glowing, rune-like hands. In many other games, you can summon your own minions. They make it look as easy as natural things like fireballs. How do they do this? The spells are premade. Some wizard I guess, a long time ago, has already designed that spell for you, like a recipe for pie or an instruction manual to those darned Ikea closets. When you learn a spell, either from a teacher or a book, you won’t get it right away and will need some guidance until you know it by memory. However, in magic it’s less obvious how one puts the spell together. You can’t very well comprehend something that moves through ten-dimensions, let stand something that makes the ten dimensions. You are bending the mana into certain structures, but you don’t notice it. You can’t actually see mana. It’s comparable to how you are not aware of the fact that you are breathing, but the level at which you do become more aware of how you use mana is very, very high. Once you are able to control your breath, you can consciously breathe faster, slower or in an irrational rhythm. However, you still don’t notice the various muscles you contract or extend in order to do so. This analogy explains how you are able to create spells, yet don’t comprehend the very basis of everything, in its ten-dimension generating, space-time initiating, matter and energy creating glory. Of course, a spell’s creation does not have to be assigned to just one person. Two people could come up with the idea of roasting a fish, just like two people could come up with throwing a fireball. A spell that casts seven blades with intricate runes and covered in purple flames could be analogous to a five-course dinner at the most expensive restaurant in town. Still, two separate people could, in theory, come up with the same idea.
Brain and the Soul
‘’So what’s the deal with souls?’’ I’m not sure where that question came from, but I’m glad you asked! Well, as you know, mana makes the structure of everything. However, this does not mean that all that is created is a direct result from mana flowing in order to become that structure. Actually, most things we see around us flow in a higher level of reality, with the structure of mana coming as a result. Our brains are part of that; at the moment of conception, a child is but a blob of cells. These cells have an underlying mana structure. As the child develops, it grows certain body parts, one of which is the brain. All parts of the body have an underlying mana structure, but the mana structure in the brain –being as complex as it is- is much more intricate. And even as we grow up, after being born, our brain is vastly more complex than the rest of our body, it being the place where our thoughts and memories reside. As a direct result, the underlying mana structure is also very complicated. This ‘knot’ of mana is what’s called the soul. It’s not an entity that’s separate from the body; it’s directly connected to the body.
Aura as a Medium
Now, the brain is where our thoughts take place. If we think of something, certain pulses move through our brain, and it is reflected in the mana structure. If you visualize this mana structure as a physical thing, you can see a complex knot, with threads on the outside connected to it. That part just outside the soul is not part of it, but still under its influence, as the mana around the soul is very much connected. Thus, if something in the knot is stirred, this ripple will pulsate through the outer laying web, where it eventually dies out. It does work both ways; if something is able to stir the web outside the soul, it may just make its way into the soul, granting us a thought through other means than our senses. This thing that is not part of our soul, but still close to our minds is the aura. The aura is the medium that will let us turn our soul’s thoughts into actual movement in mana, in order to create spells. It does take either a born gift, or great meditation, in order for us to be aware of that part of our soul. That which extends to the outside world, like fingers waving an air current. Those who master the processes in the soul and the rippling of the aura can become true magicians, sorcerers, planeswalkers or whatever.
Of course, many people enjoy the idea of the soul living on after we die. If you read what I wrote above, you may think that I find it impossible, as the soul is the mana structure of the brain. However, you may have also interpreted it as the mind, as it reflects the movements of pulses and electrochemical processes. Well, it’s both true, but the true essence of the soul is the latter. The knot is not independent of our brain, but if the mind stirs the soul, after which the brain falls apart, these stirring will hold the knot together. The knot as a whole will have no anchor to material reality and fill start to fall apart, but the impulses of the mind try to hold it together on a deeper, somewhat spiritual level. The conclusion would be that the soul is a knot of mana that results from the complexity of our mind and brain. If the brain –the physical anchor- disintegrates, the soul will start to fall apart, but only over time, as the reflections of the processes that took place insidestill ripple and try to hold it together. If someone were to artificially interact with the mind-part of the soul, they may force it out of the body and into something else, or intercept the soul of a deceased person and use the memories of its appearance to create a new host body for them.
Ways of Magic
At this point I’d like to talk about the different ways of casting magic. As you know, different games and movies use different techniques to tap into the powers of mana. These styles range from simple hand gestures, to spoken incantations, to elaborate witchcraft rituals. So how do actions in these higher levels of reality alter the structure of mana? There are two ways, and not rarely do these two happen to coincide. The first is mental association; the second is the pre-existing framework.
This method takes place inside your own mind. It works by associating certain actions you perform with the spell you wish to perform. Imagine pressing your hand forward, casting a fireball. Simple enough and very familiar, right? Now imagine actually shouting ‘’Fireball!’’ at the same time. Through training, or even before that, you have associated the word with the spell. The moment you say it, your mind will be more focused on the performance of the spell. Another more elaborate example; you can stand completely still and imagine a monster form itself in mid-air, two meters in front of you. You can just stand there and think about the magic you mentally perform. However, you want the spell to be much more powerful, so you’re going to use some form of hand incantation. You put your two hands together and make various shapes with them, one standing for ‘creation’, another one for ‘werewolf’ and the last one for ‘armor’. Now it’s firstly much easier to perform the spell, due to your subconscious’ connection between the gesture and the spell, but also because you added another hand formation which added protection to your furry servant.
This method of casting magic utilizes pre-existing mana structure embedded in the world, or possibly aura. Sometimes wizards get to such a high level that they start to work on an amazing project, often a once in a lifetime accomplishment. They might just decide to set up a framework of structured mana throughout a world, either by enchanting a planet or by creating a new universe. In the case of the pre-existing framework, though, they often have to call upon multiple wizards since this is a significantly large feat. The result is that anyone in that world won’t just bend mana to cast the more obvious arcane magic we’re familiar with, but use the already present structures of mana in vastly different ways. This might result in an essence of the soul being copied, and giving them a kimono, and a fancy sword that matches that part of their soul (Bleach). Or it might lead to a world with a spiritual counterpart where strange creatures live, while the physical world contains special individuals who control the elements, where every so many years someone comes forth to save the world (Avatar). In the case of Avatar, you see that the so-called benders also have to make certain movements in order to perform their skills. This is a part where the pre-existing framework incorporates some form of mental association. Sometimes it’s also possible to use those kinds of magic on other planes of existence, even though the framework isn’t present there. This can be done by recreating that mana structure within one’s aura.
Mana bars? Charging spells?
So it should be pretty obvious what this next paragraph is about. If you have ever played a game that used a form of mana, you know that you can’t just cast the most awesome spells whenever you want. First off, there are games that use mana bars. This represents the availability of mana near you – the amount of mana you can tap into right now, in order to cast a spell. Higher concentrations of mana allow for larger and/or more intricate structures, thus resulting in the more powerful spells. After you send that burning ghost-sword towards your enemy, that structure of mana will move away from you, being represented in a depletion of the mana bar. Eventually, the structure will fall apart and return to its natural state. Much like a wave of water you create, pushing away from yourself, a structure of mana can be shot at the opponent. The amount of water on your side is less, and on the other side it increases, but after some time, the disturbance is gone and you have access to as much water as before. The same applies to mana; eventually, it will be redistributed, providing you with as much mana as before – this is the regeneration of the mana bar. But there’s another mechanic involved in this; charging up. This should be quite obvious, but I shall explain it anyway. You draw the mana to yourself before making the spell. The longer you ‘charge’, as it were, the more mana you can put into a massive and complicated structure that will have a greater chance of bringing you victory. However, in many types of combat time is of the essence, so you can’t stand around all day. Often you’ll have to settle for less, simply because you must make sure you can do something. In pretty much all situations –whether or not it’s a battle- you’ll be using both techniques, as they’re pretty much two halves of the same thing; not a combination of different styles. Admittedly, in a place with a lot of mana you’ll be charging less, while in a place with a low density you’ll have to be careful how much you use.
I hope you were able to understand me and that you think it actually works. Of course there may be questions, and I'd like to think about all the details of what I imagine, so ask away! And lastly, feel free to use it as an excuse of placing magic in actual reality.
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This is good - but would probably be better suited to go in Articles/Guides.
The Finely Endowed Lord Rilla Pythonicus, Archduke of the Black Coast and Lord of the Serpent Port."Your arms are too short to box with God"Kaige Chamberlain in Genesis
The new paragraphs are:
''Ways of Magic''
Also - Please ask questions if you have any, so I can make up excuses for that!
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Semi-bump? Not gonna edit a two-weeks-old post.
Anyway, with the addition of the latest paragraph -''Mana bars? Charging spells?''-, of 300+ words, this guide passed the 3000 words. It's beginning to get quite extensive.
So... Does anyone watch the articles/guides section?
At last! Another person dedicated to making a magic system which fits well with science, or as I like to oxymoronically call it, "realistic magic". We certainly have different takes. Most fundamentally, it seems you taking on the ambitious task to make a unified theory of magic that spans across all continuities, whereas mine is just for my own continuity. (I, perhaps arrogantly, look at many manifestations of magic as scientifically wrong and stupid.)
I personally abhor string theory due to its lack of falsifiability so it has place in neither my magic system nor my personal paradigm of physics. I'm also not a fan of multiverse theories for a similar reason, as well as semantics. I find it really interesting that you have decided to place mana as the most fundamental level of existence, but after reading this, I suppose it is necessary. I place Energy as the most fundamental level (or perhaps Information), but I digress. You are obviously someone who has put a lot of work and thought into ensuring the intellectual integrity of your magic system. Towards this end, I ask that you indulge me and I shall accept your premises for the sake of argument. You may already have answers to all my questions. The least I ask is for a deeper understanding of your system and perhaps inspiration for my own. At the most, I would be honoured to have had a hand in improving yours.
I'm intrigued as to your reason for making mana infinitely continuous as opposed to quantized, since everything above that level has been proven to be quantized (except space and energy as far as I know, and I suspect that if one were proven to be quantized the other would naturally follow).One more thing about mana is the fact that mana is absolutely analog, rather than digital. There can be incredibly high or near-zero concentrations of mana, because itís not a collection of particles that take up space; itís one smooth transition, much like water on a large scale.
If everything is made of mana and mana structures cause the mana to manifest into all the things we see in the universe, what exactly are mana structures made of? If the answer is mana, wouldn't this require another mana structure to turn that mana into a mana structure, and so on in an infinite regression? If it is something else, wouldn't this thing be just as fundamental as mana? What causes mana structures to form in the first place?
Is mana really moving through structures? What are the dynamics of this motion? (i.e. is it like fluid dynamics?) Or does it remain static as cosmic bodies whip through the expanses of space, behaving more like the ether for light from theories of antiquity?
How can mana collide into other mana if it doesn't have a particle-nature? Wouldn't incident mana-waves (I'm assuming that if it's not a particle, it's a wave) superimpose and then pass through each other unimpeded? Is it certain superposition configurations that result in the creation of a Universe and mana structures? (If so, this answers my previous questions about mana structures.)When mana collides, the things that have the most chance of happening are those that are the most basic in reality, and such a thing is the universe.
In the "Rest of the Multiverse" section, you state that all mana is the same, yet in "Creation of the Universe" you refer to raw mana. What is it that makes a sample of mana raw if it is all the same?
I'm not so sure about this. If I recall correctly, altering the constants that govern the fundamental forces in the slightest can result in drastically different universes. Even if not, I would certainly expect it to be so over the range of magnitude you specify.most universes should end up somewhat like ours. The species are never exactly the same, and the color of things may vary, and the strength of the four powers of the universe, one of which is gravity. But because they all follow a similar natural way, the universes are actually comparable to ours, within, say, a difference of 0.3 to 3 times the magnitude of something.
As I understand your conception of the soul, it seems to be intricately connected to the structure of the brain. If someone suffers brain damage, isn't their soul equally damaged? If someone has a lobotomy, don't they also lose part of their soul?
I'm don't understanding how the soul can continue to exist after the brain has gone. The way I currently understand mana structures, they result in the manifestation of the rest of existence, including atoms. How can this mana structure continue to exist without the brain and without manifesting another brain? Can you also give a little more detail about these reflections of the processes? Do simpler mana structures also leave reflections? I apologize if these questions don't make sense. I feel like I'm having trouble grasping this section.
I hope I haven't gone too far in asking questions. I'm really looking forward to your answers!
P.S. I really like the "Forces of Artifice" section. I've found myself stumped when I argue against people who say that humankind is a part of nature and therefore everything we do is natural. Is this your own philosophy, or did you get it from somewhere else? Some references where I could read a theory of the Forces of Artifice in more elaborate details would be greatly appreciated!
Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor. - Alexis Carrel
Hey, someone replied! It took me a while to check back, due to a combination of work and realizing there was already a low interest in this thread. But I look forward to being forced to make up excuses for things I didn't quite grasp myself xD.
What makes mana form structures? There are two ways, depending on the situation. One is a natural flow of mana. It moves around in varying quantities with varying force, and probability has it form certain patterns. This mostly happens with 'raw' mana (Which I'll get back to later on).
The other way is when already existing structures are changed or combined. A wooden stick has a certain mana structure, and so does a piece of metal. An axe is compose of both of those practically stacked upon eachother (to but it bluntly). More intricate structures are on the atomic scale. When you let some ethane interact with oxygen in a certain way (both are molecules with certain mana patterns) they can form ethanol, a new product with a new mana structure composed of already existing mana patterns in new ways.
Mana is definitely moving, but it's something I don't quite graps myself yet, onsidering mana creates the dimensions through which things move. But I do think fluid dynamics are a good visualization, for imagining the movement of mana. However, it's far from perfect, as there are more than the three dimension we see. Also, mana has a lot of randomness and is not just Newtonian. It will make unexpected movements, but maybe they're just the result of other mana flowing right through it.Is mana really moving through structures? What are the dynamics of this motion? (i.e. is it like fluid dynamics?) Or does it remain static as cosmic bodies whip through the expanses of space, behaving more like the ether for light from theories of antiquity?
Mana interacts with itself and other mana. Multiple 'parts' of mana (not particles, indeed) can exist in the same place. All this has an effect both on the mana (higher concentration tend to dissolve) and the reality it creates (higher concentration will make other things than lower concentratations, depending on the arrangement). Sometimes mana bonds are so tight that they are hard to break apart, yet the mana itself flows through. The same structure is then made up of another amount of mana. Or in other cases, the structure might have properties that affect the mana more than the reality it creates, resulting in actual slower movement of mana throughout the system.How can mana collide into other mana if it doesn't have a particle-nature? Wouldn't incident mana-waves (I'm assuming that if it's not a particle, it's a wave) superimpose and then pass through each other unimpeded? Is it certain superposition configurations that result in the creation of a Universe and mana structures? (If so, this answers my previous questions about mana structures.)
Raw mana is mana with minimal to no structure. It is wild, unorganized and flows freely, typically resulting in greater force than organized mana. This also allows universes to be created more easily. It requires the tremendous force and great quantities of raw (unorganized) mana in order to increase the probability of such a structure.In the "Rest of the Multiverse" section, you state that all mana is the same, yet in "Creation of the Universe" you refer to raw mana. What is it that makes a sample of mana raw if it is all the same?
Yes, if someone's brain is damaged, this will affect the mana structure as well. As the brain contains the electrochemical processes -which make up the mind- contsists of mana structures which are fundamental to its existence, damaging the creation will also damage that which created it. If that sentence was exectued properly...As I understand your conception of the soul, it seems to be intricately connected to the structure of the brain. If someone suffers brain damage, isn't their soul equally damaged? If someone has a lobotomy, don't they also lose part of their soul?
Hm, good one. I think there is an excess amount of mana all around us, a sort of semi-raw mana if you will. This means there is a sort of ether-world, (although it is our world. We exist of mana) where there is more mana than we would normally perceive. If something is made of mana in a certain pattern, and that something is affected, it also affects the pattern. However, while we perceive that something as just that something, the pattern is not only the pattern, in the world of mana. There is more to it, resulting in an echo of its existence. If a rock is crushed, it must also happend in the pattern. However, if the rock is demolished even further, there is still an echoing pattern of that rock in the excess mana we can't see. A sort of fading impression. This would be the same for our soul; if someone dies and their brain processes stop - or their brain is entirely destroyed, there is still an echo of that mind in the other mana. However, the original pattern - the one that resembled the person when they were alive - only exists in a way that the person exists to be dead.I'm don't understanding how the soul can continue to exist after the brain has gone. The way I currently understand mana structures, they result in the manifestation of the rest of existence, including atoms. How can this mana structure continue to exist without the brain and without manifesting another brain? Can you also give a little more detail about these reflections of the processes? Do simpler mana structures also leave reflections? I apologize if these questions don't make sense. I feel like I'm having trouble grasping this section.
I loved it!I hope I haven't gone too far in asking questions. I'm really looking forward to your answers!
Heh, I made it all up myself. Thank youP.S. I really like the "Forces of Artifice" section. I've found myself stumped when I argue against people who say that humankind is a part of nature and therefore everything we do is natural. Is this your own philosophy, or did you get it from somewhere else? Some references where I could read a theory of the Forces of Artifice in more elaborate details would be greatly appreciated!
Looking this over, one question came to my mind: Could someone be able to create life with these laws of magic?
Immediately, my brain went into this odd little conversation...
"Of course it can, human beings and animals do have children. Considering what this says, everything is just varying sets of mana structures. So technically, you are making life with magic in that way."
"Brain, I meant could you ARTIFICIALLY create life."
"Personality, who says that our ways of 'birth' aren't artificial in some way?"
"Considering it happens naturally..."
"Humans can choose to have children or not. Once this choice is made, they select someone to mate with who is compatible. Through looking at their families genes, and their mates families genes, they can also determine the chances of what their kids will look like. In a way, isn't it artificial?"
"True, but what if someone tried making a human form through manipulation of mana alone? You know, like shifting the flow of things into a humanoid shape of sorts?"
"Well then, you most likely get a Golem. An artificial creature that has no worldly experience, due to it not being 'born', and only knows what to do through programmed actions. If someone is skilled enough, I believe they could create a very close replica of life. As explained in the guide above, that replica could also be formed from the memories of a lingering 'soul'."
"So...It IS possible?"
"Perhaps, unless SOMEONE didn't look over every detail."
...yeah, this guide just made me discuss things with my brain. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go see a psychologist....
Letting Destiny control your life is like giving up your free will. You have no real choice in your life, only a set path forced upon you. Some Destinies put you on a path of good, while others put you on a path of evil. However, Destiny forces you onto those paths sometimes, making you give up many things that define you. Destiny is in truth, a double edged sword. It cuts you just as deeply as it cuts into the paths of others.
Never let Destiny guide you. It may cause more harm to who you are than you think.
Well, anything is possible when you can bend reality to your will, but it basically comes down to how you want to define 'life'. If you look at it from a biological viewpoint (an organism with cells that distinguishes itself from inorganic materials by with its ability of growth and such) then life can be made using magic. The other way to look at it is to have other prerequisites for 'life', such as identity, personality and experience, but plants don't have those things, and worms aren't reeaally people either. In the end, the underlying question is ''what is artificial?''. In some cases you can obviously see that something is created by man, or happened in nature, but it's actually kind of a sliding scale.
Aaaanyway, without getting ourselves into the dark corners of philosophy, yes - it is possible to create life. It is entirely possible to create cells down to the atomic level that perfectly match that of an average organic individual, and make the brain in such a way that it is self aware and develops a consiousness. The echoing soul follow automatically follow from that pattern, but it's also possible to create a soul without a brain, as long as you specifically focus on it still existing in reality. This can be done either by binding it to, say a special kind of rock, or giving it an ethereal form of matter onto which it can project it's memories of what it looked like, resulting in a walking phantasm. Or not - maybe you just add another spell, embedding the soul with so much mana that it can exist on its own (if the soul is how you want to define life).
And thanks for asking! Also, don't go to the psychiatrist - you're more fun this way.
Last edited by Equivocality; 11-10-2012 at 07:46 AM.