Speciesism

[Ender Wiggin]

I watched it, but I took everything it said with a grain of salt. I've had plenty of experiences with other revved-up emotion documentaries that were full of it.

Rather, let's use a neutral source.
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_exp...-ans-mar07.pdf

They stun the cows first, then cut their carotid.

Compare that with

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cq210DOUHc&feature=related[/yt]

[Chile]

On the not feeling pain - Ender is referring to the death being quick and painless, rather than long and drawn out. Not that they can't feel pain. I think.

AlsoStopFeedingHim

That was in reference to his earlier response, when he said they didn't feel on the same level of humans, which, like I said, can't be verified.

To address one of your points, number 3.

We've been eating animals for ages, but not on the scale it is now. Some scientists have done large studies that indicate animal products are directly linked to the progression of most cancers. Do you think Evolution justifies the scale at which we consume animals and their by products?

Btw, did you even watch the documentary? At all? I know it was a hard thing to ask, but I was just wonderin.

[♥Cordi♥]

Good thread Chile ;]


- Would you consider speciesism a parallel or equivalent to racism? Why or why not?

Yes. I believe people have become far too accustomed to convenience. Not many look at their "food" and truly understand where it comes from. Just because animals are not engineered to talk, does not mean that they deserve to be subjected to horrible conditions, abuse and death for the benefit of "taste."

- Do you think equating the treatment of animals today to the Holocaust is accurate? Is it worse? Is it not as bad? Explain your position.

I think it is an instance of humanization, but no I do not believe it is accurate. I believe what animals are subjected to in many instances far surpass the holocaust in cruelty, pain, suffering.

- Whether or not you agree that speciesism is wrong, why do you think it's so widely accepted and condoned in our (your) society today?

A culture breed into not questioning what their parents, government, media tells them. Convenience as I stated earlier seems to take precedence over compassion and in many instances health and wellness. People disassociate themselves from other species using the line of reasoning that "Hey, they're stupid they deserve to be eaten." Or "I need my protein" or "We've been doing it for thousands of years, no sense in stopping now."

- What is the standard for equality in your opinion? (For example: Must they possess the same amount of rationale or intelligence to be considered equal?)

I believe that everything is equal by its own right. As mentioned in the video, we are all inhabitants of the same planet. I think it's rather selfish and pathetic to use "intelligence" as a basis for equality since intelligence is subjective. Many animals have senses and attributes that are far superior to our own naturally. Before anyone comes up and attacks me like Ender did (using the stupid plant argument I've heard a number of times before, REACHING for any excuse they can to justify themselves, even though anyone that's taken even a high school course in physiology or biology knows the difference between plants and animals) I view all life as equal. I do not kill anything if I can help it. This includes insects, animals, and even plants (I don't like to waste). I think the last time I killed a spider was over a year and half ago.

- Do you think the meat, fishing, dairy, clothing (fur+leather) industries are having a negative impact on the environment? If so, is this an issue that needs to be addressed?

Abso-fucking-lutely. People don't even realize the impact the meat and dairy industry are having on society and our environment. I could go into depth here, but I just wanted to answer these as basic as possible.

[Chile]

You definitely didn't watch all of it. You responded at least 10 minutes after I created the thread. Which didn't even meet the 20 minute marker, amid the myriad of other things.

Yea.

Done talking to you.

[♥Cordi♥]

That was in reference to his earlier response, when he said they didn't feel on the same level of humans, which, like I said, can't be verified.

To address one of your points, number 3.

We've been eating animals for ages, but not on the scale it is now. Some scientists have done large studies that indicate animal products are directly linked to the progression of most cancers. Do you think Evolution justifies the scale at which we consume animals and their by products?

Btw, did you even watch the documentary? At all? I know it was a hard thing to ask, but I was just wonderin.

Stop feeding Ender, he's not willing to even educate himself on the REALITY of slaughterhouse practices, not just how it goes in theory and he didn't watch the video.

[Ender Wiggin]

even though anyone that's taken even a high school course in physiology or biology knows the difference between plants and animals)

Wait wait wait!

So you're saying, that due to a difference, it is acceptable to eat something, and not another?

Is this correct?

You definitely didn't watch all of it. You responded at least 10 minutes after I created the thread. Which didn't even meet the 20 minute marker, amid the myriad of other things.

I skipped the fluff.

Stop feeding Ender, he's not willing to even educate himself on the REALITY of slaughterhouse practices, not just how it goes in theory and he didn't watch the video.

How it goes according to the law

[The Nexerus]

- Would you consider speciesism a parallel or equivalent to racism? Why or why not?

No. Simply put, animals aren't people - they're animals.

- Do you think equating the treatment of animals today to the Holocaust is accurate? Is it worse? Is it not as bad? Explain your position.

Animals in the past have had it much worse than animals today. Thanks to people like yourself, half of the cost of butchering an animal today is making sure it's death is "humane". Fifty years ago everything mentioned in that documentary was a dozen times worse.

- Whether or not you agree that speciesism is wrong, why do you think it's so widely accepted and condoned in our (your) society today?

It's accepted because it doesn't exist. When I pluck a flower from a field and smell the aroma, am I slaughtering a generation of that flower's family and desecrating their remains? When I accidentally step on an ant when I walk down the street, do the other ants collect the corpse, bring it back to the ant hill and give it a ceremonial burial?

- What is the standard for equality in your opinion? (For example: Must they possess the same amount of rationale or intelligence to be considered equal?)

As it stands I'd say that human rights should only extend to humans.

- Do you think the meat, fishing, dairy, clothing (fur+leather) industries are having a negative impact on the environment? If so, is this an issue that needs to be addressed?

No and no. By and large, anyway.

[Sora]

To address one of your points, number 3.

We've been eating animals for ages, but not on the scale it is now. Some scientists have done large studies that indicate animal products are directly linked to the progression of most cancers. Do you think Evolution justifies the scale at which we consume animals and their by products?

Btw, did you even watch the documentary? At all? I know it was a hard thing to ask, but I was just wonderin.

I'm at 27:25 right now. I posted a little early.


On Evolution: Probably not. But you didn't ask what justified it, what caused it.


Then again, I'm a Moral Relavist.

[Turtlicious]

- Would you consider speciesism a parallel or equivalent to racism? Why or why not?

No because the very idea of Speciesism is ludicrous to the point of hilarity, I can't believe people ACTUALLY believe that we should put ourself in harms way or go without (of anything EVEN fur coats) for the sake of something so insignificant. I watched the video and all I could do was quietly chuckle at how the common practices of a Slaughterhouse were being demonized. I don't give a shit HOW my hamburger got on my table or how my Filet Mignon was killed. You could rape the damn thing for all I care, (I'd prefer you washed off your Splooge, but I always wash my protein before cooking anyways.)

- Do you think equating the treatment of animals today to the Holocaust is accurate? Is it worse? Is it not as bad? Explain your position.

Godwin's Law, not going to respond.

- Whether or not you agree that speciesism is wrong, why do you think it's so widely accepted and condoned in our (your) society today?

Because it's not a thing? It's just some idea a bunch of really REALLY sad people thought up to justify there lifestyle and push there organic products, if anything it's a marketing Gimmick. And sadly intelligent people are falling for it. It's a protein, no more, no less.

- What is the standard for equality in your opinion? (For example: Must they possess the same amount of rationale or intelligence to be considered equal?)

They must have the higher functionings of a Human Being, (So no Alzsheimers no Autistic, no Mentally deficient.) They must in short be a fully functional human being capable of taking care of themselves. (So some homeless but not all of them) They also need to have a personality, an ability to express feelings.

- Do you think the meat, fishing, dairy, clothing (fur+leather) industries are having a negative impact on the environment? If so, is this an issue that needs to be addressed?

In what sense? This question is vague, and I'm honestly not sure what you mean, I'm just going to say no, because a lot of the "harm the environment' stuff tends to be Hippy BS, and in fact has been disproven by most scientists. Stop looking at Joe and Sally SUV driver, and maybe look at China's huge factories belching smoke into the air.

EDIT: Before you ask, I watched a bit, not sure when I turned it off, but I'm pretty sure I made it to your 20 minute marker.

[Elendra]

Actually, going to watch the whole thing through, right now, and edit -this- post with commentary.

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Yes, we're all Earthlings.

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Wait, no no no

Already disagree.

Speciesism should also be favoring any species over any other, not only your own.

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I disagree on the suffering statement too. Would say the suffering would have to be ranked by the strength and complexity of the neural network. I mean, bacteria, dangerous bacteria are alive, but I wouldn't count their suffering to be equal to my own... or... any other animals, really.

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Yes, racism and slavery are things.

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Again, disagree. Racists don't have to favor their own race.

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Same thing with sexism.

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Yes, people with power can be dicks.

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Yes, animals like living too.

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Yes, animals have uses, like food, and various products and services.

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I disagree with that quote.

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Intentional, obvious, and offensive.