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    @Generic hmm, ok, so rather than literally erasing the sound he produces completely, it just muffles it, so a normal Head would not be able to hear him, but one who excels in detection would? If so then that is acceptable, just replace 'silently' with 'quietly', and maybe specify that while possible to detect him, it would take someone with capabilities beyond even a normal Head. Also, I noticed that you said it gave him great speed, if you are referring to movement speed then i would like you to take that out (someone sprinting at mach speed should still be producing considerable noise lol), if you meant striking/attacking speed though, then that is fine, but you sould specify as such, and maybe he should only get the striking speed boost (i'm assuming this is like vergil/Ishida mitsunari draw-striker levels of speed here) if he hasn't yet been detected by the enemy? something that should be easy enough with his ninja fighting style and camouflage ability that you added in there (nice touch btw). no need to make any alterations to his agility and precision stat boosts.

    so yeah, if you make those alterations to the serpent's vigor ability and write up an acceptable history, I see no reason why he shouldn't be accepted ^^

    @darkmarshal I want to say yes, i really do, but you have to remember hat this is one of the 11 weapons created especially to defeat muramasa and his demon warriors, so it would practically take a muramasa, or near-muramasa leveled demon to be able to corrupt one of these weapons. Plus, if her family had let something like that happen to one of the sacred weapons that guarded the entrance to Masamune's batleground, they would be dishonored, probably hunted down by some of the families, depending on their level of involvement with the demonizaton of the weapon, and no longer considered one of the 10 families... tell you what though. I see some really good potential for this kind of character so I'm not gonna say ether yes or no. Show me what you can come up with, how creative you can be and if you can prevent the weapon from becoming op because of the demonization, and ,if I like what i see, i'll allow it, sound fair? My suggestion, use the demonization as the reason why the family left japan to go establish themselves in Sweden, so as to hide the fact that they let such a horrible thing happen. Also, if your character uses a lade possessed by such a strong demon, I'd like to see that reflected in the character herself (and bonus if you show its effects on her family as well). Since she IS a descendant of a disciple, she can be expected t have at least some resistance to demonic influence on her heart and soul, so no need to make her a blood-hungry raving lunatic (though go ahead and do so if you want, those chars are always fun lol), but as stated i would like to see her personality affected by the demonic weapon at least somewhat, how you chose to represent that (maybe she has a really sensitive berserk button, or a super powered evil side, or just has a hard time controlling her killing instincts or whatever else you think of) is up to you.

    as for what you have down already, well, kudos on having a woman using a claymore, that's pretty rare for characters. and, well, yeah, there's not very much i can say since i imagine you'll be doing lots of changes to her personality and updating her history if you decide to make her weapon possessed.

    @kestrel finally getting to you. so. Uhm. yeah, you're gonna need to give me some specifics on what the deal is with your character. While I don't exactly mind an amnesiac, I kind of need to know why it is that he lost his memory, and how the yakuza group the found him, well, found him. Also, the first guys that he worked for were THEY one of the actual 10 families, and thus that is why they had the naginata and were so interested in him? knowing that he was somehow destined to be their next head?

    if that is teh case, i can't exactly allow them being killed off and replaced by some other group who then took control of the naginata. the other 9 families would never let that happen, if only for that fact that ONLY people who are descendants of the disciples are allowed to guard the 10 key weapons.

    If that is not teh case, how exactly did these yakuza guys get their hands on one of the 10 weapons without the 10 families noticing? You'll have to come up with a really good explanation since, as i stated before, there have to be 10 families and 10 heads, so the family that is missing their weapon would be under a LOT of pressure to find the weapon that was taken from them, as well as their missing (and apparently amnesiac) next head. and they would be getting help from the other 9 families, which includes mine and generics' who are both stated to be financially and politically powerful, and generics is involved with teh criminal underworld on top of this. so yeah, these guys would have to be pretty damn slick to evade detection yanno. and i'd also need to knwo what their motives would be for stealing teh weapon and (presumedly() kidnaping the head, since normal people shouldn't know the specifics about Masamune and Muramasa.

    so all in all I'm not saying that you have to erase you character and start from scratch, just saying that you need to give up a lot of clarification on him for me to accept that kind of char since it's so at odds with the pre-established setting, as he is right now.

    as for his ability to use other weapons, I am ok with that on some level, but realize that the other heads have probably all spent all of their lives practicing with their inherited weapon and their inherited weapon only. So if you want to tell me that your character spent some time practicing with other weapons enough that he would be proficient enough to use them in a combat situation, realize that for each weapon he spent time training with, that will make him comparatively weaker at using his inherited weapon and its abilities than the rest of he heads, it's a 'jack of all trades, master of none' scenario. on that same note, i'm gonna have to ask you to tune down his power's effectiveness. While 'my power is to take away your powers' characters are indeed cool, and work great for manga, anime and other stories, they essentially defeat the purpose in an rp like this if they can just arbitrarily take away everyone's powers, so please scale it back to him being able to seal away the powers of only 1 other character at a time.

    lastly, you mentioned he was proficient with firearms. well, linking into what i said earlier about mixed proficiencies, you're gonna have to list which kinds of firearms he has actually had training with, firing a handgun, a sub-machine gun, an assault rifle, a shotgun, and a sniper rifle, are all very different things that need very different training to use effectively. if you just say firearms generally, then you're saying that he has split his training seven ways between his naginata, his katana, handguns, sub-machine guns, shot guns, assault rifles and sniper rifles. I'm sure you don't want to be only 1/7 as proficient at using your inherited weapon than everybody else, so i will need some specifications thank you.

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    oh, i really should have noticed this before, you put the sword's description in the powers section, you're supposed to put it in the weapon's section, the powers section requires you to name her special abilities and then give a specific description of what those abilities do.

    for what i can see, the sword seems to make her a berserker-like character. in that case, there should be one passive ability that states that whenever she draws the blade, she becomes more easily enraged and her moral limitations are mostly removed (for example, even if she would normally not harm a friend, once she starts fighting with her sword she will gladly beat them into submission, even if not outright kill them).

    then give her one active ability she can activate at will where she temporarily lets her mind succumb to the demon's influence, in this 'mode' or whatever you want to call it, you can make her faster and stronger and not feel pain anymore, but that has to be counter-balanced by far LESS precise moves (I can't allow you to simply allow her to boost all her stats by saying it 'isn't completely primal') and inability to tell friend apart from foe.

    most of what is written in the powers section currently though should, as stated, be removed and instead put down in the weapon description section.

    her personality section doesn't make much sense though, the edit is, honestly, kind of a lazy one, you kept it mostly identical and just added something at the end. If she is so desperate for power that she would herself put a demon in her blade, then why would she be justify the quest for Muramasa with the goal to bring order? Clearly power is its own reward in her case. Also, she defiled a sacred weapon meant for the protection of every living being on earth to attain that power, seems kind of odd that you would say that she is 'struggling to discover the right path of action for herself'. that kind of act pretty much identifies that your character is either fully convinced of the validity of their actions and the decisions they are making, or that they honestly don't care what is 'right' or not anymore, they will do what they want.

    also, you do not explain why she is so hungry for power that she would commit such an outright heinous act.

    In her history, you do not explain where she suddenly learned to do something as highly complicated as sealing a demon in a sword, let alone a sword of great purity that would inherently reject and purify any evil that tried to introduce itself into the weapon. You did not, either, explain why her family moved from japan to Sweden. I am not asking for a lot on that front since i did tell people that i welcomed international characters, but i will still ask for SOME explanation on that front (like blandman, who has made it evident that his character's family line got into traveling the world and living a nomadic lifestyle).

    You did not, either, address the inevitable effect that Borghild's actions would have on her relation with her family, being the head who threw away hundreds of years' work to preserve the Hįvaršr for (what they would view as) 'cheap power'.

    I'm sorry if i seem a bit harsh with you but i told you that i was incredibly iffy on a demonized weapon to begin with, a half-assed attempt at a character like this will not get you anywhere, especially after I had written such an extensive post earlier, offering you several suggestions on paths you could take to make this character work.

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    also havaror means 'high defender' roughly, which implies that it was originally a weapon with great defensive capabilities. While I agree that demonization should have changed most of that, I would still like to see some reference to its former powers at least in the weapon description, if not in the powers section itself (while keeping it at a level comparable to the other accepted weapons so far, of course)

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    I'm not the GM here but doesn't the ethnicity issue have to do with the setting? The premise of the setting takes place in Japan back when our people were basically isolated from the rest of the world and all of Muramasa disciples would have been Japanese to begin with but I don't see why they couldn't have drifted away to other parts of the world either, after all putting some distance between what are basically keys to the apocolypse makes a good bit of sense to me. They really only have to be direct descendants of the disciples, the family name and place of residence could have changed hundreds of times since then. This is just my opinion on the issue though so it's really up to you guys to sort that out.

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    Well, I can give explanations to that, however depending on how much of a background-check would be coming up in-RP that may contain spoilers;



    As for the power, it takes powers away indiscriminately. This means he doesn't control whose powers he takes away and targets both ally and enemy. So a fight he'll be involved in will be fought without super-powers, which can be both an excellent reason to involve him and an excellent reason not to involve him, in clashes. Also he has no super-powers aside this, so getting into a fight with non-descendants will be a much bigger deal for him than for the other descendants. Let me know if you still require a change.

    The idea was indeed more the jack-of-all trades idea. Though you do miss a slight point on how much time investment certain weapons require. A handgun will take nowhere as much time as mastering the katana. Many skills from fire-arms carry over, too. Well that and the 1/7 theory... The higher level of skill the more subtle differences become.

    Regardless, fire-arms will be scaled down to handgun. The katana and his Mumei, two relatively easy to use weapons (I mean it's not like he's wielding a meteor hammer :P) remain in in his arsenal, albeit wielded with lesser efficiency than those of the other descendants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Marshal View Post
    And are all our families supposed to be Japanese in ethnicity? It sounds that way, when you ask why they moved from Japan to X. I'd rather not play as a Japanese character; it's personal.

    That said, CS edited again to what I feel is important to know for now.
    From what I understood, we're lots of generations past that. If your family, at some point, moved to say... Egypt, then all of them had children with Egyptians, that genetic influence would dwindle down quite a bit.
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    Name: Ana Demochev
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    Age: 68
    Gender: Female
    Nationality: Russia
    Appearance: Ana is getting to the end of her life, and she knows it, she is the oldest wielder of all the families, and despite her tall, proud stance, she is clearly losing the strength and speed she was once famed for. Her face is warm and understanding, a half smile nearly always present on her face and her hair, tied back, is long since grey.


    Weapon: The 'Nagori Kagirinai' (The Memory Eternal)


    Power: The Remembrancer - Mitsuya Kunihiko was the wisest of the disciples, and his memory was famed for it's accuracy and the strength of his recollection. He was the Bard, the story-teller and the history keeper. Not only does his blade grant the wielder eidetic memory, but it contains all the memories of it's former wielders, including Mitsuya himself. This makes it the single greatest store of knowledge in the world, and though not granting as much outright strength as many of the other swords, a weapon of terrifying power. Though never confirmed, it is also believed that the trident, possessing a soul as do the others, can still communicate with the wielder, offering them the advice of it's combined wisdom of the ages.

    Faction: Loyalist

    Personality: Tired of life, Ana only reluctantly takes up arms against the oathbreakers. She has no wish to kill, she left that life a long time ago, but with the death of her husband, the head of the family, and her son, she is the only member with the skill to wield 'Nagori Kagirinai' for the battle that is sure to come. Though she hopes an accord can still be reached, that the traitors can be convinced to stand down, she knows all too well that such a thing will never happen.

    Unlike any of the current Disciples, and thanks to the power of the Trident, Ana remembers all that happened in those dark days when Muramasa walked the earth. She has more reason than most to fight and would stand her ground even if it were nine of the families united against her instead of five.

    History: Ana never wanted to lead what remains of her dynasty. Once a strong and proud family, the Kunihiko clan, at some point renamed as the Demochev family, have dwindled, both in power and numbers. Now Ana finds herself with responsibility for faded glory, it is heartbreaking then that she remembers every detail of their past glory.

    Many centuries ago, under the urging of the blade itself, the clan left Japan, seeking to establish itself in a location where the blade will be safe, far from the others so that should each of them be corrupted, they would still be far enough apart to prevent the opening of the battlefield. This is the last recorded speech of the blade, though it is rumoured that the wielders of the blade still converse with the soul within it.

    Ana was an only child, the last of an offshoot of the Kunihiko, and married young to Dimitri Demochev, the then heir to the head of the clan and the chosen wielder of 'Nagori Kagirinai'. He sought to restore the affairs of the family, to bring them back to the power they once were, the power they had lost within the turbulent times of Russia's recent history. She bore him a son, but before long their marriage was proved to be short and he died in a plane crash, leaving her to raise a son and safeguard what remained of the family's power for their son to one day claim. When he came of age she gratefully handed over the reigns and the trident to him and he proved a prodigy, a man who could bring the house back to a new age of prosperity. He was a visionary, a man who wished to bring peace and healing back to a world so long in suffering.

    Alas for his dreams and Ana's heart he died in the Japanese tsunami 2011. It broke her heart, which is perhaps why the blade has chosen to withhold the true reason for her sons presence in Tokyo, a meeting with Tsurugi Habakiri, and the conversation that the meeting entailed. Though the families agents survived and returned the blade, none but 'Nagori Kagirinai' and Tsurugi herself know who was present, and what was discussed on the day of his death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buio DiAngelo View Post
    @Generic hmm, ok, so rather than literally erasing the sound he produces completely, it just muffles it, so a normal Head would not be able to hear him, but one who excels in detection would? If so then that is acceptable, just replace 'silently' with 'quietly', and maybe specify that while possible to detect him, it would take someone with capabilities beyond even a normal Head. Also, I noticed that you said it gave him great speed, if you are referring to movement speed then i would like you to take that out (someone sprinting at mach speed should still be producing considerable noise lol), if you meant striking/attacking speed though, then that is fine, but you sould specify as such, and maybe he should only get the striking speed boost (i'm assuming this is like vergil/Ishida mitsunari draw-striker levels of speed here) if he hasn't yet been detected by the enemy? something that should be easy enough with his ninja fighting style and camouflage ability that you added in there (nice touch btw). no need to make any alterations to his agility and precision stat boosts.

    so yeah, if you make those alterations to the serpent's vigor ability and write up an acceptable history, I see no reason why he shouldn't be accepted ^^
    Okay, I changed the term from "silent" to "quiet" lol

    Also, when I refer to speed I was referring to both running speed and striking speed. I will definitely keep in mind that speed attack boost while hidden thing. And I had no intention of making him still move quietly if he is sprinting. Truly I do not mean any offense, but I kind of assumed that its common knowledge that movement sounds is almost directly connected to the speed in which the move is performed. So if he is moving slower, like his camouflage, the quieter he is... and the faster he is moving the louder he is. Like a snake, if its slithering slow and easy, it makes hardly any noise; but if its slithering away as fast as it can't you can hear its body crunching leaves and pushing debris out of its way. In conclusion, I know my silence is correlated to the speed in which I am moving.

    Sorry if at all I sounded rude, truly I didn't mean it aggressively in any sense. I am just experiencing a hang over currently and my sweet centers are on strike. Sorry, promise I am actually very nice when not effected by the horrible repercussions of alcohol. <3


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikari Sama View Post
    I'm not the GM here but doesn't the ethnicity issue have to do with the setting? The premise of the setting takes place in Japan back when our people were basically isolated from the rest of the world and all of Muramasa disciples would have been Japanese to begin with but I don't see why they couldn't have drifted away to other parts of the world either, after all putting some distance between what are basically keys to the apocolypse makes a good bit of sense to me. They really only have to be direct descendants of the disciples, the family name and place of residence could have changed hundreds of times since then. This is just my opinion on the issue though so it's really up to you guys to sort that out.
    My thoughts on the matter is back then I would assume the disciples were probably from all walks of life; in example, ethnicity. So after the sealing of Muramasa's demon sword the disciples went back to their respective homes. Which then they made a lineage of heirs to pass the blade down to do their part of protecting their bloodlines keys and in the end half of the disciples have turned their back on the stigma they must keep it safe and now believe they should take it for their own to control the world; or whatever their reasoning may be. and etc etc blahh blah, ramble ramble. I go bed. Night. XOXO <3


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    I has edited my CS, just for you Buio.
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    Name: Zhang Hei Di

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    Hades

    Age:
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    Gender:
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    Nationality:
    Taiwanese

    Appearance:


    Weapon:
    Kuroyaksha and Maou no Ryuu- (Black Demon and Demon Dragon)


    The Kuroyaksha is a black wakizashi that has become known as the Devil's Weapon throughout its use. Its history is a bloody one, having been used in many wars and internal disputes throughout the generations. However, few know that the sheath, the Maou no Ryuu, also contains its own hidden power, and those who have seen it have already perished.

    Power:
    Shadow Fang - Both the Kuroyaksha and the Maou no Ryuu are capable of creating black spikes, from the tip of the blade of the Kuroyaksha and either end of the Maou no Ryuu. This extends the range of the user by over a meter, often killing opponents when they least expect it.

    Accursed Soul - Those who wield the Kuroyaksha and Maou no Ryuu will be able to ignore almost any non-crippling injury, allowing them to focus on their battles. With every drop of blood the wielder of the Kuroyaksha and Maou no Ryuu loses, his speed and reaction time increase. While a few drops of blood is negligible, a person on the verge of death will become a far more capable warrior than humanly possible.

    Faction:
    Loyalist

    Personality:
    Hades is a lazy individual who has no tolerance for those who stand in his way. Though he honestly would prefer a peaceful age over a chaotic one, he is somewhat unstable, and has no problem with drawing his blade to settle even a minor dispute. The sight of his family's dead bodies has tormented him enough to drive him over the edge.

    History:
    Tired of the war torn land of Japan, Hades's ancestor, Kishimoto Nagai, crossed the sea into the mainland and found his way into China, where he began a new life in the countryside, hoping to avoid bloodshed and warfare. Nagai refused to draw the blade for the rest of his life, hoping that the accursed blade that had seen such a horrible battle would never be used again. Nagai kept the blade hidden in a secret room underneath his house, not even his wife would know that he had constructed such a place. Unfortunately, Nagai's son, Kishimoto Hiro, discovered the blade, and used it to become a powerful feudal lord. Nagai warned his son Hiro of the blade's power, yet did nothing to stop him. After several generations in the mainland, the family eventually took on the name of Zhang and made its way into Taiwan in the 18th century. No longer a wealthy family, the once famous name of Kishimoto faded into obscurity.

    Centuries after the blade had last been drawn, Hades, then known as Hei Di, had been living a mostly normal life. Though trained in the art of the blade, Hei Di had never even touched the sword that had been used by his ancestors. Hei Di and his family were content in believing that the threat of the Muramasa had passed and that they were only protecting the lives of their ancestors by keeping up the tradition.

    Then came the day that the Habakiri contacted them. The idea of a world ruled by the power of the Muramasa surprised and disgusted Hei Di and his entire family. Zhang's father openly opposed the idea, and for his resistance, he was silenced, along with several other members of the family. Hei Di arrived home to find it in shambles, his family's blood strewn across the floor. Hades, now alone in this world, took the blade from its hiding place and vowed to uphold his father's beliefs, and with tear-filled eyes he left for Tokyo to finish the fight.
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