ABORTION? PRO-CHOICE OR PRO-LIFE?

[♥Cordi♥]

Dude, Jorick, what the heck is the dude in your avatar chewing on? x.x

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... I burp in your general direction for the mere reason you put us back on topic.

With that being said...

I can't believe I forgot to mention throughout all of this that people have the option of getting their tubes tied! (Or a hysterectomy is allowed if they've had 2 kids already.)

This, and for those who aren't quite ready to make such a permanent decision I would also rather pay for entirely FREE birthcontrol including Mirena and other IUD options rather than pay for Welfare for children. This will also decrease welfare because recipients receive MORE welfare for the MORE children they have. I think Welfare should put a cap on the number of children to offer more incentive not to have anymore. For example, 2 (I like even numbers). The welfare generally exceeds what each child needs in way of food stamps and what not so the parent could support a 3rd child off of welfare for two but why would she run the risk of having another child with NO incentive and free birth control available to her?

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This is another reason I'm pro-choice

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You're forgetting vasectomies. Unless you're speaking strictly about women.

As for tubes tied though that is a potentially dangerous and not always successful procedure. It can result in issues with hormones and such and the tubes can grow around the tied bit and stuff. I personally would rather the man (if they're in a couple) get a vasectomy than me get my tubes tied. But that's personal preference. But that definitely is something to consider once you've reproduced to your liking and it's something I plan to approach my future husband about.

I don't know what a hysterectomy is but why is that specific to having 2 kids?

My mom had the procedure done and they don't actually "tie" the tubes. They blow them up. With fire. I'm not even joking. lol. Unless things have changed.

[Jorick]

You're forgetting vasectomies. Unless you're speaking strictly about women.

As for tubes tied though that is a potentially dangerous and not always successful procedure. It can result in issues with hormones and such and the tubes can grow around the tied bit and stuff. I personally would rather the man (if they're in a couple) get a vasectomy than me get my tubes tied. But that's personal preference. But that definitely is something to consider once you've reproduced to your liking and it's something I plan to approach my future husband about.

I don't know what a hysterectomy is but why is that specific to having 2 kids?

The tube tying is indeed not 100% successful. My mother got it done after my first sister was born, but then she had another girl anyway.

Also, a hysterectomy is surgical removal of the uterus. I have plenty of theories about why the "only after two kids" stipulation, but meh, let her explain herself.

[BlueRose]

This, and for those who aren't quite ready to make such a permanent decision I would also rather pay for entirely FREE birthcontrol including Mirena and other IUD options rather than pay for Welfare for children. This will also decrease welfare because recipients receive MORE welfare for the MORE children they have. I think Welfare should put a cap on the number of children to offer more incentive not to have anymore. For example, 2 (I like even numbers). The welfare generally exceeds what each child needs in way of food stamps and what not so the parent could support a 3rd child off of welfare for two but why would she run the risk of having another child with NO incentive and free birth control available to her?

I like the cap at two as well. Probably more because it takes 2 parents to make a kid, and it would basically replace the parents as people in the next generation.

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The tube tying is indeed not 100% successful. My mother got it done after my first sister was born, but then she had another girl anyway.

Also, a hysterectomy is surgical removal of the uterus. I have plenty of theories about why the "only after two kids" stipulation, but meh, let her explain herself.

Yeah, also tube tying takes time for healing and I believe hospitalization, whereas vasectomies are quick and easy (believe they take at most a half hour to perform) no hospitalization and the only time I've ever heard of it failing is if the guy goes and has sex before the sperm left in his vas deferens (sp?) has not died yet which I believe takes 5 days. So yeah, I'd prefer the man to have it done. Also haven't heard of any negative side effects other than the possible infection which is also a possibility for tube tying.

And ah, thank you. That sounds problematic though and like it'd cause a lot of hormonal problems )_) or something.

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My mom had the procedure done and they don't actually "tie" the tubes. They blow them up. With fire. I'm not even joking. lol. Unless things have changed.

I believe there are different ways of doing it. I think it's just a general term for getting rid of them in some fashion.

[Christiefries]

I already don't like how my taxes are spent, and I don't want my money going towards something I disagree with so strongly - abortion. If it's your choice to have the abortion, then it's your choice to pay for it. As for birth control, it is already available to those who need it for complications (such as needing to be on a more regular menstrual cycle, not sex). I don't want my taxes going towards it being used for sex. If people don't have the money to afford their own dang birth control, then they should close their legs until they have a job.

Tubes can be tied, and yes there are complications such as a baby forming in the tube and killing the mother if not removed fast enough. But you could also have them cut, burned, or have the ovaries removed entirely. If you have them removed entirely, however, you will hit menopause early.

Hysterectomy is a surgical removing of the uterus. The reason why I said 2 kids is because as far as I know, with every hospital I've come across and every doctor I've asked, they said they would not remove the uterus unless it was medically necessary or if I already had 2 kids, that way if I change my mind later and decide I want kids I can't sue them.

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Also, I'd rather pay for Welfare. BUT, I would also like Welfare to work differently than it does now. So many people rely on it to the point that they become lazy bums that don't want to get off their butts and find a job, and whenever they want more money, they just pop another baby out.

It should be more regulated, strongly encourage people to get jobs, and slap a time limit on it.

(Exceptions of course would be for those unable to get a job due to a medical condition or whatever.)

[BlueRose]

Hysterectomy is a surgical removing of the uterus. The reason why I said 2 kids is because as far as I know, with every hospital I've come across and every doctor I've asked, they said they would not remove the uterus unless it was medically necessary or if I already had 2 kids, that way if I change my mind later and decide I want kids I can't sue them.

Huh that's kinda a weird reason. I guess I see where they're coming from but that's weird XD why not just have them sign a consent form or some shit?

[Christiefries]

Huh that's kinda a weird reason. I guess I see where they're coming from but that's weird XD why not just have them sign a consent form or some shit?

I wonder the same thing. I can't sue them if we signed a contract, correct...? That's the way it is with everything else...
Maybe it's a moral issue in the courts.

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Oh yes, and vasectomies is an option for the guys haha I was just talking about women though.

Vasectomies have far less complications than women. Personally, however, I think it's best for the woman to get fixed just in case she were to be raped that way she won't get pregnant.

[Jorick]

Vasectomies have far less complications than women.

I know what you meant to say here, but I find it funnier to take it as a comparison to the complications of women as a whole.

[Christiefries]

I know what you meant to say here, but I find it funnier to take it as a comparison to the complications of women as a whole.

LOL

I thought about editing it to be more specific then decided against it.
I should've known better.
Regret.

[Jorick]

LOL

I thought about editing it to be more specific then decided against it.
I should've known better.
Regret.

Always err on the side of caution.

[Christiefries]

Always err on the side of caution.

Especially with you around. :P