Why do Advanced Rpers sond like jerks, a rage post

[Feldo]

it seems every time i try to join an advanced RP i am met with the problem that the GMs like to put pointless restrictions on me like you CS must have the first 50 digits of PI in a spoiler within a spoiler labeled 'imajerkfacelawls'

every time i make what i view as reasonable requests the escalate things and treat me like an idiot all the while ignoring my questions as to why what i did was wrong and the ignoring the fact that i damn well want an answer not just a comment reading 'its wrong because you obviously didnt do this or that'

am i just unlucky or was i extremely lucky to find the RP i found when i first joined?

[Brovo]

it seems every time i try to join an advanced RP i am met with the problem that the GMs like to put pointless restrictions on me like you CS must have the first 50 digits of PI in a spoiler within a spoiler labeled 'imajerkfacelawls'

every time i make what i view as reasonable requests the escalate things and treat me like an idiot all the while ignoring my questions as to why what i did was wrong and the ignoring the fact that i damn well want an answer not just a comment reading 'its wrong because you obviously didnt do this or that'

am i just unlucky or was i extremely lucky to find the RP i found when i first joined?

...Hm.

#1: Pointless restrictions? Well fifty digits of PI does sound pretty ridiculous. If you mean "read X, put into your character sheet somewhere" that's generally used by GM's to prove that a role player did actually tread through the entire opening post.

#2: Well, I'd need a link to see what you mean? That seems pretty extreme, even for advanced. If you feel like you're being mistreated, report the people mistreating you.

#3: Unlucky I would assume. That kind of extremism is not something I find all that often in advanced and I RP there a lot myself.

Try casual. It's a great place and I think you'll fit in great there

[Kadaeux]

it seems every time i try to join an advanced RP i am met with the problem that the GMs like to put pointless restrictions on me like you CS must have the first 50 digits of PI in a spoiler within a spoiler labeled 'imajerkfacelawls'

Some GMs, will put in hidden critera in the rules somewhere, to show the GM that person X has read the rules. It's not pointless, it's informative for the GM (Of course the 1st 50 digits of PI is ridiculous.)

every time i make what i view as reasonable requests the escalate things and treat me like an idiot all the while ignoring my questions as to why what i did was wrong and the ignoring the fact that i damn well want an answer not just a comment reading 'its wrong because you obviously didnt do this or that'

Nobody can answer this without context. For example, did you ask for Gunpowder in a Fantasy RP, that might be considered to you to be reasonable, but the GM might disagree. Did you ask to use an Eastern Weapon in a Western history RP, it might be reasonable, but the GM may just not want it.

am i just unlucky or was i extremely lucky to find the RP i found when i first joined?

Depends on the RP and GM.





But you ask why do Advanced RPers sound like Jerks?

I cannot say, though I have been in Advanced for a long time i've never had that, or promoted that, indeed I welcome any player willing to follow my rules (my RPs are more structured than most with more Pen and Paper type elements.)

But what I can say is that I don't see Advanced RPers making rage threads asking what is wrong with those players to the wide community. If you have a problem this is NOT how you solve it. Chances are you might have found one of the less accepting GMs or stricter GMs. Or just been plain unlucky enough to find a jerk. Without context we don't know. But asking the community at large what's wrong with a portion of that community and tarring everyone with the same brush is just not Fonz cool.

Do you want to not be Fonz cool.

[Kestrel]

Nobody can answer this without context.

Why, using the search function will solve that. Sort of, anyway, most details were PM'd (please don't c/p that, Feldo)

The guy was aggressive about grammar, I'll give you that. On the other hand, it's within his good right as a GM to ask for something decent. If you're not willing to adapt to that (and no, you can't always meet in the middle) then yes, you might be interpreted as wilfully ignorant and disturbing the RP.

His complaints about your CS, from what I gathered by reading it, as well as the OP and other CS, were completely profound. In your reply the complaint at hand (metagaming) wasn't addressed at all. In fact you ignored it and went on asking random questions that... Really were obvious from the OP. I'm sure your GM might not have been the most patient or polite GM out there, but the points he made were solid.

[BoostPowah]

The problem is that you're not using grammar, I believe. Though that first 50 digits of PI is ridiculous, I agree.

[Feldo]

@Kestral i'm not denying his complaints were valid im complaining about the fact that my questions were repeatedly ignored because as near as i can tell noone bothered to understand what i wrote and from the start i was never told what was wrong with my character sheet specifically only general, to begin with i was only looked at and told 'no just no this is wrong'

to all, i have a habit of using exaggerated and ridiculous examples to make my point. i honestly can e sure if i were better at explaining things i might have gotten a better answer, people always seem to misunderstand me, i just seem to speak in a non-standard fashion and it confuses people.

the pm itself was only two by the other party and one by myself his first was nothing of note beyond what was already said OCC and a mention that i should re read the advanced area rules

my response was a c/p of both the advanced and casual section rules (there was an interest check in the causal section linking to the OCC) and a comment implying the RP should be considered low level advanced as a result

the GM responded that a thread in advanced is advanced period and asked that i not post in the OCC again and just leave (the rp) it was worded in a way that i thought was rude trying to be polite, this may not have been how it was intended

As for not being fonz cool i direct your attention to the title a rage post i meant that as a way to say i had lost my inner fonz and needed help finding it

[Kestrel]

The casual interest check stopped being relevant when the roleplay was posted in advanced. So... Yeah...

Also, the section roleplaying discussion promotes discussion. Threads created with the sole purpose of saying "I'm angry!" on the other hand, do not promote discussion. Additionally, saying you're creating a 'rage thread' doesn't automatically mean it's okay to start that 'rage thread.' Therefore it can still be considered 'non-fonz cool.'

[BoostPowah]

The casual interest check stopped being relevant when the roleplay was posted in advanced. So... Yeah...

Also, the section roleplaying discussion promotes discussion. Threads created with the sole purpose of saying "I'm angry!" on the other hand, do not promote discussion. Additionally, saying you're creating a 'rage thread' doesn't automatically mean it's okay to start that 'rage thread.' Therefore it can still be considered 'non-fonz cool.'

I do not get your logic.

[Kangaroo]

I'm going without having seen the post myself but I read through the comments that other people have left here and I think I have an idea of what is happening. Forgive me if I get anything wrong here or make a wrong assumption, my intentions are to try to help and clarify.

The common perception of Advanced Roleplayers being jerks is a misconception, well maybe more a stereotype that was brought about from a time of extreme literary restrictions being placed on Advanced Roleplays and incredible over-reactions that happened when posters failed to meet the draconian standards. The stereotype still exists today because of a few incidents that always have and always will occur on an internet forum. It still exists because stereoptypes have a tendency to dig themselves in and be very resilient to attempts to remove them.

Now to your particular case, the first part as many have said is a common tool used by GM's both in Casual and Advanced to ensure that a poster has dedicated the time that is reflective of the GM's effort in creating this roleplay. If he actually asked for the first 50 digits of Pi then I'd call that ridiculous and unnecessary but once again it's his/her's roleplay and they have the choice to do what they want there (within Guild rules obviously).

To your 'reasonable requests', without any knowledge of what you have asked I'd put it down to one of two things, the type of OOC/Interest Check you joined or the way in which you asked it. OOC's and Interest Checks lie on a scale of how pre-concieved they are, some are fully built worlds that need an injection of a few key characters that fit the world whilst others are left open, so that the GM can use to players to build an interactive world so that roleplayers feel connected and responsible for the world they have built. It's a matter of GM styles and roleplays exist on a range of this, not just at the extremes. Obviously pre-concieved ideas won't be receptive of challenges to their world, especially if it's distinctively stated that it can't happen (i.e. magic in a medieval roleplay) whilst interactive worlds are generally more acceptive of ideas and questions as to the world's limitations.

With the way that you are saying it, you may be coming across as pushy, aggressive or demanding so GM's feel that they may not necessarily want you to be in their roleplay as you may disrupt the flow of the roleplay and possibly even challenge the GM's authority. I'd suggest just sitting back for a few seconds before clicking post and thinking 'would I want to be asked like this?' or 'would I ask my friends/family/whoever like this'. This can solve a lot of disputes and generally help to communicate with people on the forum.

There is the alternative that he is just a bad GM or he was simply having a bad day/week when he got this so he had a short reaction and took out preceding events on you.

I'd suggest pushing on with it though, you should always feel tempted to push yourself, challenge yourself and dare to improve your writing, especially on such an open community like this one. It may just be a matter of finding the right roleplay for yourself, with a good GM who's willing to facilitate your learning and help you improve. If you do have problems with this again, feel free to PM me as I may be able to help, explain to you or resolve the situation if it's got out of hand.

[Everblight]

I do actually know what RP your talking about although I'll name no names. But I'll give you some advice, first of all I wouldn't go the OOC and announce things such as....

on a side not i was never taught proper grammar so what grammar i do include in my writng is mostly what seems right based on paceing and a few vaguely remembered rule, i wont edit for spelling or grammar OCC unless im specificaly asked

next in regard to my grammar comment. what i intended that to say was that i simply dont know what proper grammar is.

I have absolutely no problem that you were never taught proper grammer I want to stress, I wasn't either and my grammer is far, far from perfect. I'm not trying to get at you or put you down but I honestly think that considering your spelling isn't even so great on simpler things Advanced isn't really where you want to be. Again I stress I'm not saying your a bad writer, I need to improve myself. (And for god sakes nobody turn this into an elitism thing)

On to the actual RP though I think I can pin point a few things that he meant you obviously didn't quite pick up on. Firslty your quite unclear in your OOC writing which never bodes well to a GM for your IC writing.

for some reason i never see the damned read the rules rule.

More appropriately however I think this was the main reason...

the affinity skills should be considered a sub section of the affinity section and the natural traits were as i stated traits mark already had before discovering affinities.

You have essentially put your own rule into his game there, he wants one power that lets you do one thing. You seemed to chose one power that lets you do a multitude of things, do you see where I'm coming from?
So yeah that's my two cents, maybe advance is a little bit of a stretch for you right now (I think it is for me personally) but I'm sure if you join a few casual RP's you will quickly learn.