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    Okie Dokie... Lets see. I suppose first thing people don't understand is that Men and Women treat sex slightly differently. (Im referring to an Interpretation of the Status Quo i have acquired)

    Men treat sex as a Triumph, A Victory which involves successfully pleasuring their respective partners and Also as a method of garnering pleasure for themselves.

    Women treat Sex as a Triumph of Love which involves successfully pleasuring their respective partners and coming to be closer with them through an acquired trust and also a method of Garnering pleasure for themselves.
    This essentially means that women tend to emphasize the emotional elements of sex. The Foreplay, The Subtle touches of the hand, meaningful words shared while for men its the stimulating words, the actual sex, the inevitable massive release of Dopamin into the brain.

    So, Your first obstacle is trying to find a balance between the perception of the sex as a victory and an emotional journey.

    Your next one is potentially more difficult to but easy to explain. What is your audience?
    Are you concentrating on someone who creates a narrative in their minds through the writers fine detailing or the way the writer expresses detail? Do you express the sex as if it is process of nature or as a glorious event?
    Do you describe sex as "A Triumph of Intimacy" or "The Art of Love-making"?

    You essentially need to understand which one you're targetting because trying to cover all of them is monolithic in proportions.

    And on a note, When using mythological creature Id suggest concentrating the vaguer details of them EG... The Feel of the furr on the hands rather than the fur itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NikoSmith View Post
    I've always had a problem just making the reader feel. I tell the story as if I'm a griot speaking to their descendants.
    Ironically, those camp-fire tribal stories, to generalise, are quite good at evoking feelings. They emulate feeling through speech and choice of words, putting the audience in their position; therefore making them feel. First-person perspective helps.

    What do you like to see in Vampire/Werewolve/Supernatural stories. Is there something that you miss that hasn't been done lately? I mean I have the lore pretty much for my types of creatures, however it never hurts to revamp an idea.
    The animal taking over the human, as that is a prime theme in the creation of vampires and werewolves.

    EDIT: Oh and Gwazi, stop bullshitting.
    ze vroeg ben je bang
    maar hij was niet bang
    alleen voor medelijden dan
    voor medelijden wel
    dan was ie liever dood
    ze heeft hem zacht gekust
    en toen heeft ze hem vermoord
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    Basically what other people said- don't focus on the actual sex so much as the emotions going through the characters during the sex.

    I'm gonna be pretty turned off pretty fast by a book if they spend a whole page talking about a penis entering a vagina. I don't need to know about the "wetness" or anything else you're getting at, here.

    Instead, tell me the sensations that go through the pair as it's happening- how they feel. If you talk about the physical aspect, keep it simple and avoid going into detail on the anatomy. Just the feel of each other's skin, or their warmth (or lack thereof I guess since we're talking vampires and whatever). All in all, just don't focus on describing the anatomy. That does absolutely nothing except give a guy something to masturbate to. Give me emotions. Give me sensations. That's what you wanna do when writing sex scenes, if you want to put real romance behind it rather than hand out written porn- and I assume you're going for the former.


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    Eroticism is about knowing the audience and catering appropriately. In its entirety. Both when practicing actions of eroticism, and when writing erotic literature. What will appeal to one audience will disenfranchise another and vice versa. In fact, writing "good" eroticism is arguable one of the hardest things to do because you're attempting to cater to the human race, which has so many different methods to express sexuality, and so many different forms of sexuality, that it is really one of our defining characteristics as a species in general.

    You want advice? Start with knowing your target audience. Figure out what drives them up the wall sexually and what makes them feel emotionally attached to a character. Figure out what character archetypes they like in general.

    You're doing a supernatural-style story with werewolves and vampires? Well, I dunno source material you can use for werewolves, but I certainly know that one of the greatest classics of literature is Bram Stoker's Dracula which has TONS of tragedy, romance, and sexual themes. So if you want ideas, that might be a good place to start to figure out how to create immense sexual tension, without driving away your audience through too much explicit dialogue or description. Also, look into your style of writing, and look at your characters.

    Werewolves are typically very bestial and wild, so if you write sexual themes with lycanthropes in mind it might be more rough and tumble, or almost violent. Vampires are masters of seduction and darkness, so subtly and "controlling the scene" might be more powerful with these people. Witches too? Shocking.

    The horror adventure genre... With erotic scenes.

    That's so odd and rarely done I'm not even sure... How to... Give advice on that. Sorry. Might be amusing to read though. I suppose utilizing fear? Saving details as the carrot on a stick to keep your audience going? Drop the occasional detail here or there, but only to tease. Only to ramp up tension and suspense. That might work.

    Essentially speaking: A sex scene is far more powerful when you focus on the emotions, on the personalities of the people involved, on the situation in which it occurred, and on how you lead up to it than it is about the actual act of intercourse. Mainly because the vast majority of us know what sex... Is. And if we really have a hankering for detailed porn we go look it up on the Internet. When we read a story that happens to have adult content in it, we want to be treated like adults. We want the emotions, the visceral actions aside from the sex, we want the tension and the teasing and the hints and wondering, truly, "will this character fall or rise to the occasion?"

    We want a story, that happens to have sex. Not sex that happens to have a story.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    EDIT: Oh and Gwazi, stop bullshitting.
    I fail to see how anything I said was bullshitting, expecially since this is asking for advice and opinions.






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    You people are amazing. You've explained things better then my professors when it comes to giving me direction. Now that might be the fact that I'm their student and they don't want me to have a glimpse into their secret world of literature. Like Laurenced explained, the audience you're going for will help focus you. And that's what I need to know, because I don't know if I'm writing for the gothic or emo young adults who want a riveting adventure of blood and sex or an in depth world that creates mixed emotions on where you stand with certain situations. I guess I try to please everyone because I want everyone to read it and like it, but I need to write it for myself with my intentions and hopefully humans will pick it up and enjoy the ride like I have. I mean the way I wrote...well let's say it would have been considered porn...but there were times where it was sweet but of course porn overpowered .

    I will say Kestrel I did consider 1stPOV, but I don't know if I can pull it off. I did a book that was like Silent Hill meets Halo and I conveyed hilarious emotion but that one took less time and I thought it was horrible because it took only two months to write. And I most definitely will be highlighting the change from the evolution or mutation of an average human being ravaged by the animal inside.

    Kagamine, I'm just so horrible with giving those emotions. And I mean coming up with different things for multiple major characters. I want to show that difference between them when they engage in the same thing. And metaphors, analogies etc can get a bit hectic for me.

    Brovo think about Bayonetta meets Queen of the Damned meets Underworld meets Superbad. In the sense of kind of adventure and underlying comical tones. It's an interesting read when it's all polished up.

    Thank you everyone so much for the advice, it really is helping me out a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NikoSmith View Post
    Kagamine, I'm just so horrible with giving those emotions. And I mean coming up with different things for multiple major characters. I want to show that difference between them when they engage in the same thing. And metaphors, analogies etc can get a bit hectic for me.
    Well then just remember to keep your focus off the technical descriptions and the anatomy. After you take all that out, look at all the empty space you left and think of what to fill it with- then fill it with those things. Hinting at the sex but not really describing it, and just, all in all, tell us how your characters feel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NikoSmith View Post
    You people are amazing. You've explained things better then my professors when it comes to giving me direction. Now that might be the fact that I'm their student and they don't want me to have a glimpse into their secret world of literature. Like Laurenced explained, the audience you're going for will help focus you. And that's what I need to know, because I don't know if I'm writing for the gothic or emo young adults who want a riveting adventure of blood and sex or an in depth world that creates mixed emotions on where you stand with certain situations. I guess I try to please everyone because I want everyone to read it and like it, but I need to write it for myself with my intentions and hopefully humans will pick it up and enjoy the ride like I have. I mean the way I wrote...well let's say it would have been considered porn...but there were times where it was sweet but of course porn overpowered .
    If i had a suggestion, Considering the Gothic Emo story taking a turn towards Slaanesh has already been done, I suggest going for the later.
    Not only does the later provide good wiggle room in terms of writing but also allows you to emphasize the subtlest of action. For instance "The firm grip shivered as the growls of .... wormed within .... 's mind. The Chest rocking back and forth as the world shrunk. " See in that theres The Will to fight, Fear, How the will is being degraded and theres Domination the overpowered werewolf has. Also... Never forget "Show, Don't tell." ^_^

    Also, Don't at any point consider these scenes at all seperate or differing from the rest of the story. These scenes are showing when their guard is down the most and is a prime place of tragedy.
    "Hail them as the bane of Chaos, Fear them for they watch for Heresy"



    "It will be through our blood and our faith that our survival will be assured, Sisters."
    "What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthunax, Skyrim.
    This is single line encompasses why i have a non-sexual appreciation of the Adepta Sorirtas. Through Great Effort, The sisters have acheived near incorruptibility without the use of massive genetic augmentation and mind-wipes. Through Iron Will, They have conquered their Human nature.

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    If you are looking for examples of that sort of stuff theres always the Southern Vampire Mysteries, the books that True Blood is based on. I haven't read any of them in quite a while but there was always shit tons of sex in them between humans, vampires, werewolf/shifter things, and even faeries. Like I said I haven't read them in a while but if I remember correctly the books did a good job of straddling being tastefully graphic and straight up porn.

    Quote Originally Posted by NikoSmith View Post
    For example "slippery when wet", I'll let you decide what that's about.
    Come on, everyone knows what that is about. It's Bon Jovi.

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    You had me at raunchy.

    But, piggy backing, it depends on the other person or people. Some people want different things with mature content.

    Me, l like it raunchy. Some people like lovey dovey smoochy scenes, they put me to sleep.

    Implore into what that persons preferences are.

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