Mental instability (Discussion)

[XxSkittlezxX]

Your welcome, and thanks. Glad to be of service. Have any questions?

No I mainly just read through this thread and learn. Incredibly sorry about the bad luck with women, though.

[XxSkittlezxX]

Well, since I seem to have halted conversation:

Say a person had some form of PTSD. If they felt they could not share the experience or that doctors/therapists could not help them, do you think they could manage to work through their problems on their own by some form of venting and realistic goals and a conscious realization of their progress etc.? ... I'm not sure if this makes any sense. It's partially based on a book I read called "Almost". Is that helps?

[Brovo]

Sorry for the delays folks. Responding.

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lol. Surprise Spruiker.

#1 I assume by 'family unit' you're reffering to the Nuclear family. For anyone unfamiliar with the term it is meant to describe your stereotypical/traditional family of a wife, husband and kids. We have seen a lot of changes to other family types such as blended families, single parent families, extended families, gay/lesbian families etc, but none of these would relate to Autisitic behaviour (except maybe one or two traits with aspergers).
Autism is not the result of any kind of social interaction, parenting style etc. It is something you are born with.
I can understand how one or two traits from aspergers can be caused by other things (but if they were then it isn't autism). But when it comes to lower functioning autism (where I am seeing the biggest change), that is not something that could be misdiagnosed due to family unit's changing. Constant stimming, inability to recognize feelings or express them, unable to feel pain (like if I cut their arm off they might not feel it), fixation on a certain item. These are not behaviours or traits that can be related to a person's family unit.

I can't say for ADHD however, I don't know enough about it.

Yes. The Nuclear family.

I'm not stating that children get autistic behaviour. I'm stating that they could be getting behaviour that looks like it because the psychologist making the judgement call has no frame of reference to the child's upbringing. I was misdiagnosed ADD because of that in my childhood, I can't imagine it not holding true for other "disorders."

#2 I do agree with this, I agree that some of the reasons for more diagnosis's is because of factors such as that.
But people when they take this stance will usually act as if genetically there is no difference, that the increase is diagnosis's is just less severe or false ones and that there are just as many people with the disability now as there was before.
That just isn't true, although diagnosis are diagnosing more people who may not even have it, there are more people being born with them today as well.

Perhaps more people are being born with it because more people are fitting the bill for it than ever before...

#3 That makes sense

Drugs are rarely if ever used for autism.
Typically for autism they are on a diet that is Caesin/Gluten free, and this reduces behaviour's if it works, it doesn't add to them.
You may find a number of autistic kids on a type of drug, but this due to the fact people with autism commonly have other diagnosis's as well, those that may need said drugs.

Hmm. Good to know. Thanks.

That's really the issue, people always want more for themselves for the sake of having more...
'The american way' pretty much, but people have been like this since the start of time.

Common misconception: "The American Way" is not exclusively about having more stuff. Even TAW has a comfortable point to sit at happily. (Two story house with a white picket fence in a good neighbourhood with one husband, one wife, 2.5 children, a dog, a cat, friendly neighbours, smart kids, loving wife, brave/hard working/wise father. Ta-da. The end. Albeit it's changed over the years to fit a more modern household.) It's more when incredible stupid, juvenile crap like this is espoused that my head hurts. And then the world hurts. A lot. Like right now.

#1 Say what? Did she think you were being some guys trying to get close and in her pants or something? I'm just trying to understand here reasoning here...

To this day? I still don't understand the reasoning for it either. The scar on my thigh from jumping a barbed wire fence however, tells me that I shouldn't care.

#2 *sigh* That's just stupid... and if I have anything to say about it, you're not broken. Hell you have your head on better than most people diagnosis or not.

Well thanks for the compliment. As for that person? Meh. *Shrugs* Alas, woe to the intolerant, for lonely eternally is their damnation.

#3 Can relate to the first part, not to the second part.
I have yet to understand why people will get so close to someone only to suddenly leave them for the next person.
I mean this isn't a case of someone just wanting 'in your pants', since there was time, effort and feeling invested for a while.

Simple. I'm a nice guy. Nice guys tend to get used to make most women (not all) feel better about themselves. When someone more attractive, richer, or otherwise comes along, they abandon ship thinking that they can just come back again later, since the nice guy is such a nice guy that he'll be accepting of it all.

...Not this nice guy, fuck that.

The best guess I can make is that...
a) They enjoy the drama stirred/created from such an event
b) They want something 'new' and their old partner is just not 'new or exciting' enough
c) They simply don't understand what love means, have a totally different definition of it, or will throw it around without meaning it

These are legitimate reasons too.

It's hard to understand the thinking though of someone who you loved dearly, thought they did as well only for them to hurt you so badly with an action you would of never done to them.

It's pretty typical for me, so my opinion on it is very coloured, but to me? People use each other to feel better. Rarely is it actually feelings of affection and care. More often, people are more like me than they think with a lack of empathy or regard for the other person's thoughts and emotional state, only able to interpret from their own beliefs of what the other person is feeling, which often, coincidentally, justify their own feelings and desires.

Alas.

I think empathy is actually simple at it's roots.
Try to be supportive and loving for those you care for and those who may need it.

It what people choose to do with empathy, and how they choose to treat those who show empathy that makes it confusing.

Oh.

I still don't really get it then. I mean, sort of. I get the concept of it. I can mimic it, but I don't really feel the urge to do so. I have to remind myself to.

It's why I never plan on leaving my hometown, it's one of the safest towns in one of the safest countries.

Will this dog be following you and your kids everywhere?

Sure. Why not? Hah.

#1 You're welcome!

#2 Sure sounds fun

You won't be 'forever alone' though.
I can defelently relate to the feeling, I honestly due feel all the time now that I'm pretty much 'forever alone', but you'll find someone some day.

...We'll see.

Did those obstacles help you get stronger in the end?
You know, from the experience of fighting through the obstacles?

I'd say so. It takes a lot to take me down now. When employers warn me about work-related stress I kinda just laugh. It doesn't phase me anymore.

No, the type of person she is, having what you have would just creep her the hell out.
She would defelently try to pull a postivite twist on it though, but constantly getting visions of those she loves getting dicks to her, she wouldn't take it well real or not.

She's really just one of those people who will outright ignore/signal out anything negative and/or doesn't directly relate to her or her family.

Oh. So she lives in a self-made delusion which she clings to, whereas I try to escape my delusions that are made for me.

I guess it's more of a "compare and contrast" then.

I know, but it can help.

As for what you see with people together, you do see something beautiful there.
It's beauty I can only hope I'll be able to enjoy one day.

Don't hope. Make your own future.

and that makes me think of this

Mwahahahahahaha.

No I mainly just read through this thread and learn. Incredibly sorry about the bad luck with women, though.

Don't apologize. It's not bad luck. It's that most women are pretty on the outside, empty on the inside. Not saying that men are any better. We have our fair share of faults. Just that I ain't afraid to call bullshit where it smells.

Well, since I seem to have halted conversation:

Say a person had some form of PTSD. If they felt they could not share the experience or that doctors/therapists could not help them, do you think they could manage to work through their problems on their own by some form of venting and realistic goals and a conscious realization of their progress etc.? ... I'm not sure if this makes any sense. It's partially based on a book I read called "Almost". Is that helps?

You didn't halt the conversation mi'lady. I did. I had a bout of depression to fight through. Wasn't the first, won't be the last.

If a person decided to sit down, work out their own problems, and attempt to tackle their own issues with emotional strength and a lot of logical discourse to themselves, yes. They could slowly help themselves through PTSD. The same applies to psychosis (me), depression (friend), ADHD (another friend), etc.

Mental instability is all in the mind. Therefore, if you work very hard on disciplining your mind, identifying the symptoms, and then finding ways to repair or live with/around those symptoms, you can fix up your own life. This is of course assuming that the mental instability isn't one that will erode your logical functions into non-existence, in which case, uhh, well, shit, dunno what to do there for "self-help."

[Gwazi Magnum]

lol. Surprise Spruiker.

You should see this then

Yes. The Nuclear family.

I'm not stating that children get autistic behaviour. I'm stating that they could be getting behaviour that looks like it because the psychologist making the judgement call has no frame of reference to the child's upbringing. I was misdiagnosed ADD because of that in my childhood, I can't imagine it not holding true for other "disorders."

Perhaps, but I can only see that happening with aspergers.
Lower function autism just has too many things going on to be misdiagnoses just due to family type.
It defelently can be misdiagnosed, just not over something such as that.

Perhaps more people are being born with it because more people are fitting the bill for it than ever before...

Smart ass

Hmm. Good to know. Thanks.

You're welcome

Common misconception: "The American Way" is not exclusively about having more stuff. Even TAW has a comfortable point to sit at happily. (Two story house with a white picket fence in a good neighbourhood with one husband, one wife, 2.5 children, a dog, a cat, friendly neighbours, smart kids, loving wife, brave/hard working/wise father. Ta-da. The end. Albeit it's changed over the years to fit a more modern household.) It's more when incredible stupid, juvenile crap like this is espoused that my head hurts. And then the world hurts. A lot. Like right now.

I refer more to the american way shown in things such as Great Gatsby.
As much as a rewarding life the american way listed above would give, it requires a very calm and relaxed person, or someone who has little material desires to achieve and not have an urge to keep going for more.

To this day? I still don't understand the reasoning for it either. The scar on my thigh from jumping a barbed wire fence however, tells me that I shouldn't care.

Did you cut yourself on a barbed fence getting away from her?

Well thanks for the compliment. As for that person? Meh. *Shrugs* Alas, woe to the intolerant, for lonely eternally is their damnation.

Intolerant people aren't worth the time.
It's a fact of life, not everyone is worth people's time.
Though I go by the philosophy that everyone does start off worth your time, and it's the actions they do they determine if they remain worth your time or if they lose it.

Simple. I'm a nice guy. Nice guys tend to get used to make most women (not all) feel better about themselves. When someone more attractive, richer, or otherwise comes along, they abandon ship thinking that they can just come back again later, since the nice guy is such a nice guy that he'll be accepting of it all.

...Not this nice guy, fuck that.

Bah.

And the second a girl does that they prove they lack the biggest thing I'm looking for in a woman.
If they're willing to just 'jump ship' like that, it means they're not in the relationship for emotion, love, closeness, bond etc but for the appearance, wealth and glory.
I know most of these girls will turn around and say "I want a boy who loves me and to have a caring relationship not about sex".

But if that was honestly true, they never would of jumped ship for such a reason would they?
I totally get jumping ship in a situation like

a) You don't get along
b) Partner is abusive, neglectful etc.

But if you are in an honest relationship (or just leading on your partner to think that you are), then really you lose all rights to ever declare yourself as the victim in the relationship and you lose the right to claim you want a meaningful and happy relationship when you start to play with peoples hearts like that.

These are legitimate reasons too.

So pretty much we agree that people who do this do not feel love and/or have their priorities filled with excitement and trills rather than meaningful things.

It's pretty typical for me, so my opinion on it is very coloured, but to me? People use each other to feel better. Rarely is it actually feelings of affection and care. More often, people are more like me than they think with a lack of empathy or regard for the other person's thoughts and emotional state, only able to interpret from their own beliefs of what the other person is feeling, which often, coincidentally, justify their own feelings and desires.

Alas.

And it's when facts like this get stated out that I feel like people like me must be rare in this world.

People who actually want love, bond, commitment and partnership in a relationship.

When I'm in a relationship I'm never in it to 'feel better'.
Yes it does help me feel better, but because I love the person I'm with the comfort and happiness they provide.
But hell, when in a relationship I usually end up dealing with a whole ton of shitty feelings because I'm focusing all my efforts on the other person and how they feel.

Oh.

I still don't really get it then. I mean, sort of. I get the concept of it. I can mimic it, but I don't really feel the urge to do so. I have to remind myself to.

When you meet the right person it will come naturally to you.

Sure. Why not? Hah.

Name him dogmeat :P

Oh. So she lives in a self-made delusion which she clings to, whereas I try to escape my delusions that are made for me.

I guess it's more of a "compare and contrast" then.

Pretty much.

Don't hope. Make your own future.

It takes two people for that beauty to happen though.

Mwahahahahahaha.

Indeed

Don't apologize. It's not bad luck. It's that most women are pretty on the outside, empty on the inside. Not saying that men are any better. We have our fair share of faults. Just that I ain't afraid to call bullshit where it smells.

Most people are shit, end of story.

This is probably a bad frame of mind for someone who plans to work with children for a living to have, but it's a true fact in the world and I won't play dumb to it.

[XxSkittlezxX]

I just don't know that anyone has the strength to fully eradicate it. Maybe temporarily overcome it, but I still feel that it will come and go.

[o Seraphim o]

Most people haven't heard of it but I have BPD. Not bi-polar, borderline personality disorder. And it's actually more common than people think and no I'm not crazy. I don't have split personalities, but rather I have 'personalities' that come out depending on the situation. It's hard to explain, you'd have to read up on it.

But my point is, is anyone here diagnosed with BPD also? I find it helps to talk to other BPD patients in regards to 'getting better' and overcoming the disease. Because it can be truly disrupting and affect your life greatly. It's hard for me to keep relationships, jobs, etc. I end up sabotaging everything or getting too overwhelmed.

I'm starting therapy Friday.

[XxSkittlezxX]

Sorry I can't help but I offer you support.

[Foster]

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Psychosis is actually pretty common among RPGers, apparently.

I once tried laying it out on a spreadsheet, but then one girl told me to stop because it was creepy.

Just a few more peeps and we could probably charter our own jetliner.

[o Seraphim o]

Sorry I can't help but I offer you support.

Thanks :3

[Hellis]

*Adds Brovo to contacts-list*

Psychosis is actually pretty common among RPGers, apparently.

I once tried laying it out on a spreadsheet, but then one girl told me to stop because it was creepy.

Just a few more peeps and we could probably charter our own jetliner.

I can see very mild cases of pstchosis being far more common then people think .Becouse many probobly dont even undestand that they have it.