Fragmenting of an Empire- OOC Thread of wonders

[Vahir]

I'll set about uploading Estradeen characters and culture in a bit, though I haven't found any photos of the characters- I can never find what I see in my head.


I also think we really need to change the demographics, because they are waaayyyy too big.

Populations of 16 million in nations would not be reached until the enlightenmennt era. England, a very prosperous and powerful kingdom in the medieval period had a population of about 2 million, and London (one of Europe's largest cities) would have possesed some 60,000 people. A less populated and wild kingdom, like Scotland or Norway, would have literally had populations as small as 300,000 maybe, sometimes less.

Even with a much bigger landmass, there wouldn't be more people. In both the Roman and Medieval periods ;large swathes of land lay effectually uninhabited, Europe was too big for the population it supported, and much was wilderness. If we double the size of the continent, all that would mean realisitcally is longer travel times- smaller armies because of increased attrition, and less outposts of civilisation.

Thats just my 2 cents at the end of the day. I think we should make the game world smaller, and populations smaller also. Most nations (when assembling their armies) could maybe muster at very most 20,000 in levies plus standing armies. 20,000 is a hellavah lot of men. Major battles like Crecy in medieval times never had more than 30,000 men on the field (thats both sides).

I assure you that the sparse population of the time was taken into account. Europe held at it's peak about 70 million people, and the Empire alone is bigger than that. Look at these numbers:

Size: 4 500 000 square miles
Pop Density: 65 p/m
Population: 300 000 000
Capital Population: 260 000 people
Max army size: 1 500 000 men

You'll notice that out of a massive population of 300 million, only 250 thousand live in the capital. The vast majority of the people live in the wild countryside. And the army size is deceptive. 1 500 000 men is the theoretical roof that your country could sustain. The Imperial army will never come close to 1.5 million, and those soldiers who remain would be spread out across it's vastness.

Ayreth- 35%
Frankmark- 15%
Celland- 10%
Estradee- 20%
Borkstvo- 20%

Out of 1.5 million men, Frankmark, for example, would have a maximum army 225 000 men, before taking into account desertion and attrition. You'd also have to pay all those men. And that's not the personal army of the Queen of Frankmark; most of it comes from the vassals, some of whom would stall or even refuse to ride with their liege.


On another note, what were the Demon Wars exactly? I can guess some things from the title, but I don't want to write anything about it until I know what I'm talking about.

[Mars SnR]

Lord Mondobo, I need to get with you so we can discuss the brutal history between the Cellish people and the Northmen.

[Mars SnR]

Also, Dark Man, I have come up with some very Cellish sounding cities and was wondering if perhaps these could be the name of the cities instead.

Dunrock
Shamway
Gilbar
Meathford

To name a few.

[Lord Monbodo]

Europe held at it's peak about 70 million people, and the Empire alone is bigger than that.

That's the crux of the problem. The area we're dealing with is far bigger that actual feudal society.

I wholeheartedly support Sinistred's idea. That seems like the best way to handle things.

[The Dark Man]

Sinistred's idea does sound purdy good, but we already have numbers that work well enough with a few zeros hacked off. I truly don't care, it's whatever you guys want.

Those names work, Mars; it's your Kingdom, you name your stuff.

[XebenXeb]

I just posted the article for my city on the wiki. Dverg Karas

I hope it's layout isn't too confusing, I'd draw it by my skills in that department are terrible.

Edit: Oh! There's a character with the same clan as your char in there, Dark Man. I hope that's ok.

[Automatic]

May I reserve a place as a duke or count in Borkstvo?

[The Dark Man]

You may reserve as whoever you please, Automatic.

[Rocket]

Posted a bunch of stuff on the Wiki. Anybody wanna collaborate on some history and some connections for the rp? Particularly my neighbours- Frankmark, Borkstvo and Stonehelm- but also the Empire ofc.

[Byzantium]

Frankmark needs some love and Byzantium shall provide it.

I'll get a sheet up for one of the Dukes tonight.