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    A Question About Plagiarism

    I have a new RP I plan on embarking and I have a few questions regarding plagiarism that I’d to address.

    http://roleplayerguild.com/showthrea...g-Darkness-OOC

    I found this and then realized that, well, I don’t want to be like this guy. I like it here. That’s why I’m doing this before working on my ‘persistent world’ RP that wont be an utter failure. . .

    If you’re a Moderator it might be easiest just to quote what I say below and label A-OK with green, sketchy with yellow and down-right no with red, but I don’t really care what you do.

    For character profiles (I’ll be using them as potential NPC’s)
    - Their names (or replacing their names)
    - Verbatim quotes, experiences and details
    - Adapt their experiences, quotes and details to fit my setting
    - Change their race (from alien to human)
    - Use verbatim where I have to
    - Alter what I want to (I plan on paraphrasing and elaborating in my own words)
    - Always cite my sources!

    For planetary/city/village/etc info
    - Their names (or replacing their names)
    - Verbatim quotes, occurrences, features and details, etc
    - Adapt the histories of these settings to my own overarching setting
    - Use verbatim where I have to
    - Alter what I want to
    - Always cite my sources!

    For plot-based sequences
    - Re-use subplots and adapt them to my setting
    - Transform main plots into subplots in my setting
    - Be a little blatant about it (sometimes it’s unavoidable)
    - Always cite my sources!

    I don’t really plan on copy/pasting as much as (I say this very liberally) drawing inspiration from my small list of RolePlays I’ve personally hand-picked out. I just know that plagiarism is against the rules and I want to smooth out is okay and what isn’t okay. And if it’s a “just don’t be a dummy” thing, then I wont have any problem with this. I just want to know where my borders are before I start.

    There are some parts of introduction posts, for example, one RP in my list that has an old man telling a child about how ‘the world used to be like this before it got destroyed’, and I’d like to practically take that whole story verbatim and use it as a legitimate part of my story after it’s been mended to fit the setting. Is that okay? Etc, etc. . .

    I really like the idea of having allusions to past RP’s, and I feel like doing this will add a greater depth beyond the scope of my imagination. It serves less as a foundation, though, and more as a super-boost for when I’m forced to generate ideas.

    Regardless of what anybody says, I still want to include where I’ve drawn inspiration for the subject by using superscript, kind of like with wikipedia. It’s not my intention to cash and carry, just to (for lack of better words) recycle ideas, character concepts and whatever into something interesting and fun.

    I’d be more than glad to go ahead and work on my roleplay and if it ends up being too plagiarizing or just not cool, I’d be cool with just scrapping it. But that being said, I’m just trying to be as flexible as possible with this.

    Oh, here’s my small list of RP’s

    (keep in mind this took me several days to personally hand pick out, look through some of them and then judge whether or not they were worthy, and then copy/pasted their links into a Microsoft Word. . .)

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    Thank you!!

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    Small list.. lolz. XD


    Ummm...

    Kind of hard to draw fine lines.. .>.>

    So, basically... Just make sure you know the difference between drawing inspiration from something and deliberately copying it. Even if you change a few words... if it is practically the same, you should always ask the person and cite them and their work. Regardless, you should usually always cite it. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guru View Post
    Small list.. lolz. XD


    Ummm...

    Kind of hard to draw fine lines.. .>.>

    So, basically... Just make sure you know the difference between drawing inspiration from something and deliberately copying it. Even if you change a few words... if it is practically the same, you should always ask the person and cite them and their work. Regardless, you should usually always cite it. XD
    I'm the kind of guy who likes the antiquity of things, the allusionary reference. Changing a few words is, to me, not actually changing it at all. I'm not hiding anything so just replacing words really isn't a solution; paraphrasing or elaborating is more my style, but sometimes people express a statement and I feel not right about altering it. So I guess that's my conundrum.

    My other problem is that, some of this stuff is OLD. Sometimes those people are just. . .gone. They haven't logged on in years. I'd be cool with using it, PMing them to ask for their permission, and if they log on and tell me that I can't use it, I just go back and take it out, put in a substitute. I'm just not sure if that would be infringable. . .

    I'd like it if I got a little 'hey, this is sketch, you should probably fix that' before 'hey, you can try to recover your playerbase after five days' you see what I mean haha! I'm pretty sure I have some kind of infringement because my brother made an account and did something silly (we share the same IP) so I've got to be cautious.

    Citing wont be a problem. I've reminisced about making a group called "The Roleplayerguild Historians" and I plan on being a cultural anthropologist/musicologist in college, so I'm pretty involved in the whole "credit where it's due" area, haha!

    Thanks homey!

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    @_@ In what universe is that a small list of RP's?

    I mean, sorry to sound rude, but... Jesus. That's a lot. XD What did you plan on using all those for, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagamine View Post
    @_@ In what universe is that a small list of RP's?

    I mean, sorry to sound rude, but... Jesus. That's a lot. XD What did you plan on using all those for, exactly?
    In a world where sarcasm exists I would presume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagamine View Post
    @_@ In what universe is that a small list of RP's?

    I mean, sorry to sound rude, but... Jesus. That's a lot. XD What did you plan on using all those for, exactly?
    Hey man, no offense to you but you might want to read my post. . .90% of it is about what I plan on using it for, haha.

    Also, these still need to be addressed eventually:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrone View Post
    sometimes people express a statement [perfectly] and I feel not right about altering it. So I guess that's my conundrum.
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    My other problem is that, some of this stuff is OLD. Sometimes those people are just. . .gone. They haven't logged on in years. I'd be cool with using it, PMing them to ask for their permission, and if they log on and tell me that I can't use it, I just go back and take it out, put in a substitute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrone View Post
    Hey man, no offense to you but you might want to read my post. . .90% of it is about what I plan on using it for, haha.
    I understand you plan on recycling the concepts, etc, but I don't see what you could possibly do with that many of them. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagamine View Post
    I understand you plan on recycling the concepts, etc, but I don't see what you could possibly do with that many of them. XD
    Well, let me give you an example using only about 7 Casual Interest and OOC threads. That list up there is composed of only of Advanced OOC stuff.

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    When you draw inspiration, you should birth an idea from your inspiration, which is the difference between taking and drawing from. If you simply take the idea, it's obviously wrong, but if you use that idea and from it create something similar or something inspired by it that is your own, then there's nothing wrong with it. If you can tell yourself that there are distinguishable, obvious differences between your new idea and the inspiration they're fine, even if they are eerily and extremely similar. Something needs to be your own.

    That's not exactly definitive or absolute, but I tried to give a short tidbit that might help you know the difference between inspiration and plagiarism. It's a very difficult concept to explain, because potentially you could end up having something that is extremely similar to something else. Some video game developers and world creators simply rip small things from other people, refashion them and create something new out of all of those little pieces, and there's normally nothing wrong with that, but that walks a very fine line and something like that happens naturally and shouldn't be attempted. You'll know when you're stealing from someone, is another thing.

    Lastly, I'd be flattered that you have a couple of my failed RPs in there if it didn't look like you indiscriminately took every Sci Fi RP that was Advanced and put it in this thread.

    If you're looking for permission from these people, you can use whatever you like from mine as long as you aren't literally lifting it off of my RPs and putting it on to yours. Otherwise I don't care, because most of my ideas are ones that came from others anyway. I'm not sure what interesting things you could find in my RPs, as my RPs are normally tips on an iceberg, with very little information being presented initially and lots of plot twists and complexity in the actual RP.

    So, in short, do what you want except steal, the only way you'll end up stealing is if you deliberately steal. Take ideas, make some changes, then eyeball it and see if you think that it should be changed more. If you did all of that with honesty and no intention to steal, you can never go wrong.

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