I agree. I loved that movie even tough I hate the ending.Originally Posted by TripMyHop
Yeah, I guess that's the problem. People are making an exception to hate her.
I mean, she publicly apologized for that cheating thing, if it was me, i'd be all "fuck you i only need to apologize to one person and it can be done in private you judgement whores".
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That sweet jealousy of a person with less success in their lives.
OH KEN KEN. TSK TSK.
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Nope. I have the same opinion of people not fit to lick my boots.
The only person i'm Jealous of is Bill Gates. Anyone else isn't WORTH being Jealous of. (Except Perhaps people richer than Bill Gates)
And even then I can always put in motion a plan to seduce and marry his daughter. (That will never happen.)
The rich people say money can't buy happiness. The rest of us go "Well you're doing it wrong."
Doesn't sound accurate.The rich people say money can't buy happiness. The rest of us go "Well you're doing it wrong."
Most rich people advocate a libertarian approach that equates happiness and productivity to economic growth itself.
They can't say money can't give you happiness if that's their political solution. That would be cognitive dissonance.
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I've not met many rich people who are consistent in their views.
Some are nice enough folk, some aren't. Just like the rest of us. I've just always hated the phrase "money can't buy happiness" it displays a gross ignorance of the reality. No money cannot buy happiness directly. But it can buy you PLENTY that will make you happy
It really can't buy you happiness beyond meeting basic needs though. Everything else comes from an egotistical standpoint which in itself is a dependency on the validation of others through a status/classism culture bred in the culture itself.I've not met many rich people who are consistent in their views.
Some are nice enough folk, some aren't. Just like the rest of us. I've just always hated the phrase "money can't buy happiness" it displays a gross ignorance of the reality. No money cannot buy happiness directly. But it can buy you PLENTY that will make you happy
And that isn't happiness, that is actually the opposite of happiness, because it's the signs of an emotional, psychological complex in which your self worth is equated to money as well, and experience shows that self worth doesn't equate to your wealth as much as people would like you do. It's a false paradigm, and not having your egotistical means met only leads to bouts of depression and bitter loathing. I mean, look at donald trump, even at his age he's got this dependency (which means addiction) of growth of his status and wealth, he's a poisoned poor man who can't get over the fact that he's made his point, and anything he does now is moot. But he's put too much time and effort into it, to rip money from his identity as a person would be devastating to him, it would literally leave him with the rest of his short life going "what now?".
Happiness comes from internal shifts in identity in which your self worth is set on internal values that do not require an external outcome, that way this gap in image of what you are, to what you should be becomes non-existent, and in it's place you find full fledged happiness in yourself alone, everything else becomes a bonus, it becomes fun, because it's no longer something you're dependant on.
This is the reason why places in Africa, Asia and Indonesia still kick our ass in terms of happiness, even though everything else with their world is fucking shit. Because they don't live in an individualist culture that requires an outcome of monetary status, there's no culturally accepted views that one is less than the other in terms of money and so it never becomes an issue. This creates more sense of community and self worth is equated to what they contribute, and therefore getting a meal a day is a success and so therefore 5 days out of the week they sleep as a success. The altruism created in this culture is far more natural to the culture we've evolved to be in.
So your rich people are right, because they actually have money, and they've realized "oh well, now that my basic needs of comfort is met and i'm a success etc. I just...why don't I feel happy? HMMMMM GUESS MONEY DOESN'T DO IT".
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Not necessarily by any means. I enjoy sailing, lots of money could get me a nice boat, this would make me happy. Other people don't come into the equation at all. Your point isn't wrong in and of itself. Just incomplete.
Trump represents the worst aspects of the wealthy. For one, the addiction to accumulation of wealth at the cost of all else. It's oddly ironic, many of the rich become addicted to the accumulation of wealth as the point.And that isn't happiness, that is actually the opposite of happiness, because it's the signs of an emotional, psychological complex in which your self worth is equated to money as well, and experience shows that self worth doesn't equate to your wealth as much as people would like you do. It's a false paradigm, and not having your egotistical means met only leads to bouts of depression and bitter loathing. I mean, look at donald trump, even at his age he's got this dependency (which means addiction) of growth of his status and wealth, he's a poisoned poor man who can't get over the fact that he's made his point, and anything he does now is moot. But he's put too much time and effort into it, to rip money from his identity as a person would be devastating to him, it would literally leave him with the rest of his short life going "what now?".
A common belief. Not one I share.Happiness comes from internal shifts in identity in which your self worth is set on internal values that do not require an external outcome, that way this gap in image of what you are, to what you should be becomes non-existent, and in it's place you find full fledged happiness in yourself alone, everything else becomes a bonus, it becomes fun, because it's no longer something you're dependant on.
True. But also not complete. Altruism is not required for happiness.This is the reason why places in Africa, Asia and Indonesia still kick our ass in terms of happiness, even though everything else with their world is fucking shit. Because they don't live in an individualist culture that requires an outcome of monetary status, there's no culturally accepted views that one is less than the other in terms of money and so it never becomes an issue. This creates more sense of community and self worth is equated to what they contribute, and therefore getting a meal a day is a success and so therefore 5 days out of the week they sleep as a success. The altruism created in this culture is far more natural to the culture we've evolved to be in.
But they're not right. Their failure to recognise what they want and enjoy is the source of the problem. (Or in some cases those that inherited wealth have the lack of satisfaction from having earned that wealth.So your rich people are right, because they actually have money, and they've realized "oh well, now that my basic needs of comfort is met and i'm a success etc. I just...why don't I feel happy? HMMMMM GUESS MONEY DOESN'T DO IT".
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EDIT: Forgot to add one major point.
The person as they are is also a major contributing factor.
Going by those i've met less social people are generally more content with their wealth than very social people, the less social are happy to buy things that make them happy. Very social people (who are wealthy) can't avoid the thought that perhaps its their wealth that makes them popular etc. The psychology of the person always plays into it.
Look at people like Spears, Lohan. Their fame and wealth has practically destroyed them. Yet others are content.
Just because you don't share it doesn't take the science away from it, ecology shows that altruism is needed for healthy sustainable communities and a healthy environment is needed for happiness. Psychology shows that people who equate their happiness to external outcomes or quantities that aren't consistent to his/her demand for it, and consistent with the reticular activation operation going through in societies mind to match his self image (that is based on the external quantity) are less happy.
You agreeing with me or not is irrelevant to me being right.
As you said yourself, you want a boat, you like boats. You only say you want money so you can have a boat, but if we worked in a system that didn't use money, you wouldn't need money to get a boat, it would be worthless pieces of paper. If you had said "I would like consistent access to this utility as I find it's something I enjoy and brings happiness through the mere process of using this utility", i'd be like "oh cool" because that makes sense. You like boats, a part of you identifies yourself with boats, and you find internal or external benefits to boats itself.
As for your rich people, if it is that they failed to recognize what they wanted with all that money, the culture built around "money equates to happiness" would be the culprit for teaching them that they require money to be happy. If it wasn't for that, they would of grown up with a complete different sets of wants and needs, and those would probably be far more congruent to what our species naturally enjoys.
So, everything I say still stands. Feel free to try again, maybe take out the "altruism isn't required for happiness" part ;D
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