Civil Israel/Palestine Discussion

[ActRaiser]

I fucking love welfare and free religious expression, especially when there's barely enough food and your water supply is being cut off.

Why didn't Yassir Arafat give the 20,000,000 dollars he was given in foreign aid to improve the local economy? Sir, the leaders of Palestine are the ones keeping the people in the dung heap so they can hate the Israelies.

[Aragorn]

I don't support Israel, and I don't support Palestine or Iran either. They're both guilty.

I do have a lot of questions on Israel however, they claim they have a right to that land, and they claim to want to be protected, yet they continue to expand Israel and worsen their connections with their neighbours.

They're not looking for peace, they're looking for blood, and with their occupation on the strip, they've become just as bad as those they fight against today, and those they ran from yesterday.

Little known fact. At first Israel tried to appease their neighbors by repeatedly giving them land. But, their neighbors told them they wouldn't be happy until Israel is gone. Well, there goes that peace attempt.

[Omega]

Why didn't Yassir Arafat give the 20,000,000 dollars he was given in foreign aid to improve the local economy? Sir, the leaders of Palestine are the ones keeping the people in the dung heap so they can hate the Israelies.

Bullshit, Israelis have Palestinians fenced in and are killing them off slowly. There have been dozens of massacres, people attempting to flee Palestine are killed regularly, saying that anyone but Israel is responsible for Palestine being occupied and the Palestinians massacred is utter bullshit.

[Hellis]

I talked in depth with a Israeli business man at my old workplace. He was upset that we in sweden let people wear Islamic, traditional garbs. His words`? "They are all terrorist. Thank god we get rid of them all."

That is a legit, scary, genocidal mindset that many have.

Give me sources Aragon. all I know is that they occupy and build more and more. Not to mention kill many hundreds more then what Hizbollah or Hamas kill of their civilians.

[Omega]

Little known fact. At first Israel tried to appease their neighbors by repeatedly giving them land. But, their neighbors told them they wouldn't be happy until Israel is gone. Well, there goes that peace attempt.

Israel's neighbors wanted self-determination for the Palestinians who's state had been occupied by Israel, not land.

[ActRaiser]

I talked in depth with a Israeli business man at my old workplace. He was upset that we in sweden let people wear Islamic, traditional garbs. His words`? "They are all terrorist. Thank god we get rid of them all."

That is a legit, scary, genocidal mindset that many have.

Possible. Not calling you a liar or even necessarily incorrect, however I seem to be getting a different vibe from a lot of different sources.

Bullshit, Israelis have Palestinians fenced in and are killing them off slowly. There have been dozens of massacres, people attempting to flee Palestine are killed regularly, saying that anyone but Israel is responsible for Palestine being occupied and the Palestinians massacred is utter bullshit.

Of those massacres you listed, I found exactly two that had more than double digit casualties. :| Each one of those massacres are horrible, but I wonder how many of those atrocities were staged, baited and crafted to feed to the media?

You realize that if the Islamic state conquers Israel, there will be SEVEN digit fatalities, not double or low triple digit. :/
There will be 7,000,000 dead Jews, not 70 or 700.

Israel's neighbors wanted self-determination for the Palestinians who's state had been occupied by Israel, not land.

Tell that to the Jordanians who actually took the land from the Palestinians, rather than the Israelies who were accused of taking it.

[Jannah]

This is just a nonsense religious conflict so both sides are pretty guilty. However, I do tend to take Palestine's side since they're fighting against occupation too. Israel has some racist policies, plain and simple. I have talked to actual Palestinian refugees who have friends and family that can't even leave because Israel essentially bars them in.

Also, lately Netanyahu has been quite the warmonger. He's trying to find any excuse he can to launch assaults on Palestine and Iran. It's not fair at all when Hamas launches a few rockets and then Israel responds with a full scale airstrike. That is excessive force and is wrong.

[Omega]

Of those massacres you listed, I found exactly two that had more than double digit casualties. :| Each one of those massacres are horrible, but I wonder how many of those atrocities were staged, baited and crafted to feed to the media?

You realize that if the Islamic state conquers Israel, there will be SEVEN digit fatalities, not double or low triple digit. :/
There will be 7,000,000 dead Jews, not 70 or 700.



Tell that to the Jordanians who actually took the land from the Palestinians, rather than the Israelies who were accused of taking it.

... I am done, this line has me convinced that I cannot convince you of anything and therefore debating with you is pointless.

"but I wonder how many of those atrocities were staged, baited and crafted to feed to the media?"

I admit to being biased but do not concoct bullshit like that and have based my ideas on the subject off reality not suppositions.

[ActRaiser]

... I am done, this line has me convinced that I cannot convince you of anything and therefore debating with you is pointless.

"but I wonder how many of those atrocities were staged, baited and crafted to feed to the media?"

I admit to being biased but do not concoct bullshit like that and have based my ideas on the subject off reality not suppositions.

At least take a look at the Jordanian's role in this conflict?

Go on to part 2.

[Hellis]

I am not lying. it was legit. He does not represent all israelis. It's their far right, military goverment that's the main issue. I bet alot of Isreali citizens would LOVE open trade across the border again.

Islamic state? What Islamic state. People stop trying to generalize all of Islam int oone giant, collective killer state please? Palenstinians want to have their land and proper lives back. There is considerate losses on both sides, but at the moment it's the Palestinians who are suffering the worse.