Opinions of Clubbing.

[Animus]

Likely because you're either in a small place where scenes are meshed together or because you fail to explore what your place has got to offer.

This might be true. I've always gone into the clubs with the mindset that I would hate it so I never really bothered to mingle around with people other the initial group of friends that dragged me there. Its like no matter what a person you hate does, its annoying. Maybe that was what was happening with me and clubs.

This interpretation and argument is 100% personal.

This I beg to differ. The very goal of clubbing other than getting laid(which some might argue is still my personal interpretation), is basically to have fun. Drinking and dancing to the music and mingling with people you've never met before. But the fun comes with a price. Getting wasted, splurging, being treated like shit, etc and etc. You can argue that a capable person that has self-control can enjoy it without all the cons but the thing is most people aren't that strong from the get-go.

No it's not. What is negative about it? Someone is a bitch or asshole to you? I won't go to scribz lengths of defence, but bitch=okbainext and asshole=rolleyes&ignore. If your self-confidence is good enough those simple rules will help you with 99% of the shit you will come across.

Maybe using the words 'bitch' and 'asshole' might be too much. I'll admit its douchey of me to categorize everyone like that. I take it back and I apologise. But still, I'll hold to the claim its negative. Lets put aside the getting laid part. Clubs get in the way of important priorities, like studies, work and family. Some people get sucked into the thinking their 'cool' by getting wasted or blowing hundreds of dollars on drinks. Idk, some people can club while managing their lives completely fine but I feel that most can't.

This is wrong. Or American. I don't know. You're claiming here, literally claiming, that millions of people have never tried their hand at sports, video games, literature or art. That's a ridiculous claim.

I'm Asian. And that American jibe was mean . What I meant was slightly different, I'm not saying they haven't tried other stuff, because even I don't believe that a person only goes to club as a sole means of entertainment. I meant that people are being sucked into believing that clubbing is more fun than it really is because its the 'in thing' or 'cool'. This is a personal opinion but I don't think its a ridiculous claim.

Instead of feeling like you were left behind or whatever, just think "Oh sure, cool. Fun hanging out with you gals, see you later." Because treasuring something you already have is better for you, them and everyone else. If they want to go clubbing let them. Does that change them? Does that genuinely mean they don't really like clubbing? I don't know I don't have a lot of faith in people to begin with but when they consistently do something (harmless) they don't like out of their own free will it's not my problem.

Lol its true I judge people quite easily. I decide whether or not I like or dislike a person from the start. Most of the times I change my opinion of them overtime but I'm not gonna lie, I'm that kind of guy.

Anyway its because its to the extent that clubbing becomes so crucial to the extent that they leave a once in a while gathering to club. Its no longer just going to the club when they're free, its become I'm going to the damn club even if it means cutting out time for everything else, even old friends. So yeah, I am annoyed by it. The outing was planned in advance btw and the club was just a on the spur moment when a guestlist opened up some space.

iunno I guess you just really hate the activity which is ok, but your post quite clearly hints that you judge people based on their likes and hobbies. When I was young I played tennis because I had to play a sport and didn't know anything else even though I didn't like it. I don't think that destroyed me or warped my personality and I don't think clubbing will do that for anyone else by definition. I've met some pretty interesting guys and girls who club a ton and a fair amount of people who don't club but are gigantic douchebags and bitches. It's a matter of seperation. Saying clubbing turns people into douchebags works off the same argument as saying GTA turns kids into mass murderers.

But it does change people, and no its not a stupid claim. Clubbing is different from sports or video games. Yes, its definitely different. The people that club change because they start to feel 'cool'. And lol no, it might sound simple and stupid but its not, because its true. You start to feel good about yourself, you meet a hell lotta more people and become 'popular'. You become a badass because you can hold your drink way better than others. You're awesome because when you bust out those crazy dance moves all the drunk and high people start cheering. It gets to your head. Then eventually you might start to do stupid things. Stupid, stupid things.

It sounds totally personal and biased but can you really argue this doesn't happen?

[Kestrel]

Okay fine I'm gonna take this whole thing semi-seriously now. Your argument works off a personality conforming into social circles and argues a lack of significant peer confirmation outside of clubbing. But rather than defining the action, why not try to define the subject? What kind of people does this happen with to begin with?

First off I sorta have to say that I don't know a lot of dudes personally who go completely vain. In my experience it's mostly chicks. Or maybe that's the whole boy-girl bullshit dynamic thing I don't think I'll ever really understand. Anyway. The one thing these girls do have in common is not that they're club bitches looking for sex. It's that they're hella insecure. They're not all mean or stupid (many of the club regulars I actually know is because they have the same studyload) they're just insecure. The 'club bitch' and 'club asshole' are realistically a minority. Most people around them are passives. Likely the people you deal with are these passives. They stick to a person, or few persons, who are jerks who just so happen to club a lot. Because hey, it's a popular hobby. It's kinda similar like highschool hierarchies and shit. As soon as you remove or replace the thing these people stick to (or give them a new thing to stick to) they're no longer club bitches and assholes. Why? Because they never were. People start doing stupid things because they are stupid. People who lack confidence will likely stick to someone who appears to have more. Etc. You saw these kinds in highschool you see these kinds in clubs and you will see them in offices. The core doesn't change, the activity does.

You say those girls just had to go clubbing. Okay, here's something similar. A couple of dudes I hung out with in highschool I barely spoke to for years because (and I kid you not) they were into magic the gathering and I was not. Everyone has a mate who stops coming to pool nights/lan-parties/mountain biking trips because he has a girlfriend and some social stigma possesses them to excusively hang out with each other (and we're talking a few year relationships here.) Some dudes get super-bored at a bar and start talking WoW to people who do not play and do not care, because they can't think of anything else to talk about.

But you know what? Maybe those girls weren't even leaving because they just had to club. Maybe they ran out of gossip or got tired of those boring guys playing FIFA rather than having fun with them. I don't know. Did you even bother to ask?

[Esper]

Extroverts enjoy clubbing not because of the atmosphere, but often because of the people. Social situations where they can interact with many people in a shallow way gives them energy. It quite literally releases a flood of endorphin into their mind, which causes excitement and happiness. You seem to be thinking from only one perspective and really it's very few people who are able to see objectively so nothing to be ashamed of. Extroverts also tend to care about their social status and to know people and be a part of what they perceive as important boosts this. Your line of thought seems to be objective, defined by what you see immediately. There are more layers to clubbing than what you perceive as opposed to someone who enjoys the scene. Everyone likes to feel energized, like they can do whatever they feel like and not be lackluster when doing so.

Introverts however tend to be more susceptible to sensory overloads since much of their life is spent within their own mind. The process of an introvert is generally to take in data and analyze it in any way they see fit. This is normal. I also find your train of thought that introversion is a bad thing or not normal to be disturbing. This can be tied to the values of culture a person comes from where one or the other is normal. It will naturally leave a disconnect if the culture values introversion and the person in question is an extrovert. That is not to say introverts cannot be social. We are very social, just in smaller numbers and in deeper conversations. After all you spent all that time processing that information so why not put it to good use.

Believe it or not it is generally unhealthy to force yourself to be something you're not. Extroverts use social interaction to recharge their batteries for living the same way Introverts do with their alone time. You increase the chance of mental instability and fatigue when forcing yourself to act out of character. Love yourself for who you are and find people who feel the same. Clubbing more often than not is just a means to an end. I would rather spend Friday Nights playing card games with my friends who I know quite well than in a crowded room full of people. Not sure if that's what you wanted, but it seemed to be what you were hinting at.

[Sole]

Alcohol.
Hot as hell.
Loud music.
Fun and crazy.
Flashing Lights.
Lots of Dancing.


That pretty much sums up clubbing. I might be missing a thing or two but for those who have no idea what clubbing is, you probably have a rough idea now. Not that I think there's anyone here that doesn't know what clubbing is...

Anywho, this is pretty much a discussion about clubbing which I feel has been trending quite a lot in recent years, especially in my country.

My Opinion:

Clubbing is bad.

I hate the entire stupid ambience of the place. Its hot, everyone's sweaty, it stinks and the god damn music is so loud it makes it impossible to talk. But I'm not being biased here, clubbing really is a stupid and pointless activity and the main reason is the people that club.

Don't get me wrong, I do get that some people go there with friends to have fun, I get that some people need to de-stress once in a while and that the craziness/fun/high/whatever that comes with clubbing usually does the trick. Some people just really like dancing and some others just really do enjoy the ambience. But lets fucking face it, the majority of guys go to club to pick up girls. They just want to get easy chicks and grind them. And the majority of girls go there because they want to get picked up/grinded.

People go to club to get laid. Those that insist they're there because they find it fun clearly have no idea what fun is. Or they have a fetish of being surrounded by dozens of horny people jumping around to the music.

For fun?

I'd rather go to a amusement park with friends. I'd rather catch a movie. I'd rather get drunk and do stupid shit amongst ourselves. I'd rather watch football with the gang while munchin on snacks. I'd rather go swimming. I'd rather play some sports. I'd rather try to pick up a girl that wasn't a slut. I'd rather read a god damn fucking book. (I do like books btw.)

I don't get why people club. You go there, degrade yourself, get wasted and either fuck or get fucked pointlessly.

There are better places to have fun. There are better places to meet people. There are better places to drink. There are better places to enjoy music. There are better places to dance.

So why is it that everyone wants to club?

Ask baby seals.

And people usually go to get laid.

[Skyne]

I don't - I go because I enjoy the vibe and enjoy hanging out with friends.

I agree with Esper

[Animus]

@Kestrel

I'm going to put aside the girls leaving for the clubs thing. You might be right and they were bored. Though there were other girls, a puppy, two rabbits, food and a second TV to keep them entertained, they might have in the time I did not see them, changed their preferences of entertainment. W/E, its a personal situation and its off topic for now.

Anyway, as anyone can see, the main reason for my hatred for clubbing is due to the fact it serves as a means for people to get together with the wrong mindset. Which is to 'get laid' or 'get cool'. After thinking about it, I agree that the club bitch/assholes are a minority and most people that go to clubs have rather normal lives. The only problem is the mindset they go into clubs with which sometimes sticks to them afterward. On a side note, its because of these insecure girls that guys are attracted to clubbing. Because its easy to get them. So the guy gets his self-esteem boosted because he can pick up girls and so does the girl because she gets picked up.

You're basically telling me that I shouldn't hate clubbing because even if it didn't exist, it wouldn't change the fact that the trend-following, stupid, insecure or etc kind of people do. I can't argue that even if clubbing didn't exist or wasn't as big as it currently is, that these people would have not come together whilst doing another activity and ultimately end up being stupid. I really can't.

But that ultimately still makes me hate clubbing. I hate it because its serves as a means for all these people to gather.

@Esper

I don't know how I hinted at it but I honestly don't have a thing against introversion. To each his own(clubbing being an exception). One of my closest friends is an introvert.

Anyway, when you portray clubbing in such a way from a neutral standpoint, it actually does sound nice and quite harmless. But its not. Theres too much to explain but really, its all about the people that go to clubs and their mindsets. Clubbing may just be another means for social gatherings but it a means that come with many negative aspects such as the intention to get laid, drinking and like Kestrel mentioned, social hierarchies. To quote Scribbz, "There's nothing nice about it because it's not meant to be nice, it' meant to be big, obnoxious, in your face, and high energy, and that's exactly how I treat it."

I agree that it is generally unhealthy to force yourself to be something you're not. And I have no intention of trying to be something I'm not, which is why I'm probably never going to a club again. I'll be a lot happier just doing stuff I like and I probably butt into the businesses of others who club because they'll grow out of it in the end and come out after learning a thing or two. And those that don't, well they would have been doing stupid regardless even if clubbing didn't exist.

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I'm happy that I got some really insightful responses on clubbing and I have changed my views on clubbing quite a bit. Apologies to anyone I've offended with my words because I never had any intention to.

But neh, I'm still against clubbing >_>. Its a personal opinion so I'm not going to force it on anyone. Some might say I'm narrow-minded or whatever after all this but thats just who I am.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Personal Opinion? Pretty much what the OP said.

It's loud, noisy, hot, crowded and blinding.

You can barely hear anyone and are surrounded by people looking to get laid by any random person and/or just being way too loud, obnoxious and full of themselves.

As to address the main arguments here however...

Clubbing allows Extroverts to unwind

Granted, there are some people who don't enjoy sitting around and enjoying some piece of quiet.
Although I myself can't comprehend why people would rather be up and moving 24/7, I do understand that some people are like that and I do not hate them for it.

But you can do so responsibly by just seeing a big group of friends, you don't need to go clubbing crazy to do so.

Most people are horny and looking to sleep with anyone

I wouldn't really argue this, but to play devils advocate.
Aren't people there drinking a lot?
And drinking commonly make people lack common sense and many times get people waking up naked with no idea what they did.

People are bitches there, turning down 49 and going home with 50

In all honestly, aren't most of us like this in real life?
Many of us don't just go home and sleep with any random person.
Many people who treat things like sex as more of a special thing do tend to save it for a special someone, which statisically is a much smaller percentage than 1 in 50.

That being said however, this #50 is not someone the person knew over time, but met at a club one night so it obviously isn't anything like love or high moral values.
In clubbing's case it's more of a case of high standards, deeming most people aren't worth your time or trying to get the "Ideal" mate. To address each of those individually...

High Standards: Granted we all do have standards, but in a club and the not only small amount of time you know them for and the fact it's so loud you probably don't know a thing about them personally (almost impossible to have meaningful conversations... but honestly, no one going to a club is looking for one of those to start with) these standards are appearance related and/or about the person confidience. Which I'll address under 'Ideal mate'.

Most not worth time: This could go one of two ways...

-I am a moral person and those who would not have good morals aren't worth my time

or

-I'm better than you because I'm cooler, more attractive, more popular, (insert other reason here)

First one, I doubt you're looking hard at someones morals if you're looking for a partner from a club.
Second one, this although true, is not a club specific issue. We see it EVERYWHERE, schools, work etc. I'll address this more in a later point.

Ideal Mate: In terms of clubs, you're just looking at a) Physical Features or b) How confident they are (which normally translates to, how much of a dick they are)

These people aren't bad clubbers, it's just what they stick too

This is human nature, most people I do not associate with.
The reason for this is because most people will just stick to a social stigma, group, ideal, party etc and just blindly follow it until forcefully removed.

I know people do change when they are seperated, but everyone is still their own individual.

In High School for example, where most people pick on the 'Geeks/Nerds' and kiss up to/follow the popular people.
I don't think they deserve the excuse of "It's not who they are, they just stuck there".

Bull, fucking, shit.

You are your own individual.
You chose to follow the popular group.
You chose to blindly follow them and change who you are to fit it.
No one forcefully made you change, you chose to change, you don't get to blame anyone but yourself for how you act in high school, clubs or anywhere else.

[Foxes]

I would write an impassioned response, but I think I'll go clubbing instead.

Except I wouldn't, because spilling oceans of virtual ink on the subject seems, to me, an incredible waste of time regardless. Seriously, people? Don't you have better things to do than debate over the naturally subjective nature of fun?

[mdk]

I would write an impassioned response, but I think I'll go clubbing instead.

Except I wouldn't, because spilling oceans of virtual ink on the subject seems, to me, an incredible waste of time regardless. Seriously, people? Don't you have better things to do than debate over the naturally subjective nature of fun?

No. You're wrong. Clubbing objectively sucks.

*dance, puppets, dance*