An OOC (myself and Fanciful Fish)
Okay, so yeah you should totally watch True Blood and TVD. They're really good! I admit the newest season of TVD was a bit.. eh. But it was still okay. I really like how True Blood's been going. Never saw Robin Hood so I can't really say anything about it.
Yeah they really will be stressed! Poor guys. Hmm now I just got to think of how an oc would be anywhere near an army at war that's always on the move haha.
I think doing that with Cersei could work. I mean, I know she hates Tyrion, but she seems to hate the Tyrell's as much. It migh be risky for her to accuse Maragery, but it could work! Especially if she she does something even the least bit odd, Cersei would pounce on it. I'm not sure what that would mean for Tommen and how they're supposed to marry, but I don't think it matters to much since he's so young and isn't old enough to make any heirs yet lol.
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I'll definitely keep going with TVD then, and I'll keep True Blood on my list. I've got a weird craving for vampires at the moment, so they should both be perfect. Unfortunately people keep spoiling the later season of TVD for me, though I'm sure that there's still plenty of new stuff.
That's the tricky part...perhaps we could steal Jeyne's explanation, to do something along the lines of Talisa's. However irritating she may be, they still managed to explain her presence there.
Poor Tommen. He's far too young to understand anything that's going on, let alone why his mother is so set on giving Margaery such a hard time. Cersei would definitely love an opportunity to put the Tyrells to shame, so I think it would probably be one of the better explanations for Tyrion being left alone. She might hate her brother, but Cersei probably hates Olenna and her family a little more. Particularly because they keep pulling such clever political moves.
Haha same here! Probably doesn't help VD ended and then True Blood started right after it lol. I know what you mean, if you don't watch something it's hard not to be spoiled, or accidentally spoil yourself. I've done that with Game of Thrones.
You have a point, they did somewhat explain her. (Though I feel they left out a lot. Like how the heck she seemed to always be traveling on her own and not somehow being bothered. I would think people like Bolton's men might try to bother/rape her or something. They only showed one guy with her in the very first scene and then nothing =/) It would be easier doing something more along those lines then the Jeyne way, I admit, and would make it harder to incorporate Jon. Can't imagine most women back then would be bold enough (except maybe the Lannisters or Dany) to going showing affection, or anything, towards anyone if they're already married.
So.. If the oc is a nurse of sorts maybe she's from a smaller noble house in the Riverlands, or maybe she even came along from the north? Because I'd really hate to do the stupid foreigner angle.. It works for Dany seeing as she hardly knows anyone from Westeros, but I had a very hard time buying a huge noble family like that marrying a foreigner, no matter if she was 'noble'. Especially a major house like the Starks (Unlike the Westerlings mother, since they're house is a minor noble family.)
Yeah I felt bad for him the way she kept talking bad about his wife, and he didn't really understand why. With Margaerys scheming and pretending to act sweet to him, he really liked her. Yes, she would definitely jump at the chance to try and bring them down. While she may hate Tyrion, he really isn't as much of a threat to her rule as queen as the Tyrell's are. Would we still be having Tywin die? Just maybe make it a tad different then in the books so Tyrion wouldn't be accused of that?
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And Game of Thrones is riddled with all kinds of spoilers, so it makes things even harder xD
You're right through, they left a lot of holes in Talisa's backstory. She was barely given any protection, especially seeing as Bolton's men are so rough, and the whole marrying into a major house thing didn't really work for me either. I mean, at least she got an explanation, but I feel like they could have come up with something more convincing. A lot of things came across as mere coincidence, almost to the point where it was frustrating. I suppose we could develop the Jon x OC x Robb thing quite slowly, rather than it being something which is obvious right from the start. And if Robb is off waging war and fighting battles then he might choose to leave his wife under Jon's protection rather than taking him with her? I'm sure we can come up with something.
I think we should still let Tywin die, seeing as it was a pretty major moment in the books. I don't know whether it would be Tyrion who would kill him, because that was pretty massive as well, but there's got to be some sort of explanation or some way in which he can escape getting blamed. I think it's probably easier to explain the presence of an OC in King's Landing, so we don't have to worry to much about that, thank goodness
It's all coming together really nicely so far ^^
Yes, you can't seem to click on even a page without being hit with some spoiler to this fandom. Haha.
That's my other problem with her, she really isn't given anything to be considered a deep character. People like to argue she's more fleshed out than Jeyne but I have to disagree since we don't know most of her backstory and what little we do know doesn't exactly give us enough for it to make sense. But I agree a lot of it came of coincidental. It's like they decided to do a new character because they hated Martin's (I know dramatic of me to say) but then they half assed the character just as much and that we don't know much more about her then we do Jeyne and people just use her being more outgoing/strong willed to say she's better. As if shy people aren't just as much people >_<
Ooh I hope it didn't come off like I wanted it rushed. That wasn't what I meant. But that's true Robb might be more inclined to leave his wife behind the protection of walls, and trust his brother the most to watch her.
I'm not sure how Tyrion could still do it, since Varys only told him of the tunnels so he could escape death. Unless Varys is sly about it, since I'm sure he would be thrilled to have Tywin die and Cersei keep running things into the ground. The oc would definitely fit in much more easily at Kings Landing. Did you want her to be highborn/a commoner/etc? Just asking because I was thinking for highborn it could be as easy as them coming to court for some reason. Like maybe even for Joffrey's wedding or something.
I think so too ^_^
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It's true! And there are so many characters that you're always bound to stumble across something or other.
No, no. It didn't come off like that at all, it was more a wild suggestion than anything else. It's terrible how often quieter characters are underestimates, or seen as incapable next to louder or more confident characters. We never really got to hear about Jeyne's backstory and she was never a POV character, so it seems unfair to assume that she's shallow. I think what I dislike most about Talisa is that they tried to create a 'strong female character' without really giving her any depth? It was almost as though that was her defining personality trait, and the only reason that she was even introduced. Maybe that's why Sansa and Cat seemed so much more interesting
Varys is far too clever for his own good, though he really knows how to manipulate people into doing things they otherwise wouldn't. He'd definitely be pleased to know that the realm was being placed in Cersei's (in)capable hands. I guess it would give him a little bit of leverage when it comes to Tyrion as well, even though he already knows what's going on in everyone's lives. I think it would make more sense to have a highborn OC, maybe from a smaller house which has pledged allegiance to either the Tyrells or to the Lannisters?
There's way to many smaller characters! Jeyne was actually how I spoiled myself to the Red Wedding. After a spoiler like that, and Jon's possible death, I've given up on being worried about spoilers lol.
Aah okay! Hmm so maybe to have her run into either Robb or Jon for a first meeting maybe one of Robb's close bannermen got a wound in battle and she was tending to it? I completely agree, I felt like they made Talisa just so they could do a strong independent woman, as if we don't have plenty of them in the show. I honestly feel like the writers just can't write more meek/submissive women. That being why Sansa seems shallow in the show. People should have started liking her this season like how a lot of people liked her starting in the third book, (and it's doubtful to me that anyone did suddenly start liking her) but the way they write her, poor Sophie Turner can only do so much! There's already so many strong women in the show that I immediately disliked Talisa once it seemed she was just another and they didn't give her much of a credible backstory. If they tweaked Jeyne around and fleshed her out I think the arc could have been much better. Oona might be a decent actress and all, I don't know since I haven't seen her in anything else, but she really sucked in this. I know the writing is a big part but I don't feel she did anything to make her character better/more likeable. She just doesn't seem like one of those actresses with the talent to make bad writing look a bit better.
He really is. I find it funny though that he seems to think he's pulling all the strings but really Little Finger started the war and caused a lot of what happened. You mean like use killing Tywin against him? I could see that. Tyrion might try and retaliate at some point though, I imagine. That works! If you wanted to have her have been there awhile maybe the lannisters? Or if you want her to come more recently the Tyrell's might be better?
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I know! I spoiled the whole Jon-possibly-dying thing for myself as well. It's so huge that I kind of gave up as well. Better just to accept them, I think xD
That sounds good to me. We could have Jon first arriving to join Robb's forces when he stumbles upon her, and then he could introduce her to Robb? It might be a little slow at first, but I think that makes things more interesting. Besides, Jon needs a few more friends around. Serving on the wall seems as though it can be really isolating, and even though Robb would confide in him he'd still be busy with war. Sometimes I feel like the characters in GoT are completely deprived of friendship, but at the same time I can understand why. It's so difficult to work out who you can trust.
I might go down the Tyrell route, if that's okay. She could be introduced as one of Margaery's companions, or she could simply be there to attend the wedding. It's a pretty big event, after all, and all of Renly's supporters would have given their allegiance to the crown (at least, theoretically, they'd probably still be plotting and planning). Varys and Littlefinger are so wonderfully matched, I always enjoy watching them try to wind one another up. It's as though there's a constant showdown going on, except it's super subtle.
Probably better to accept them than drive yourself crazy =X I'll probably pick up the forth book and read the last two once it gets closer to the next books release, so that way I won't drive myself crazy reading poor Jon and not knowing what happens. I'm glad poor Davos didn't actually die!
I like it. All the characters seem so isolated in the books, I agree. I can understand why, but it's sad that no one can have a friend without worrying about plotting and backstabbing. I think Robb had the Umbers and Mormonts, but being in war you can't really sit around and relax with the people you knows loyal to you. I think Jon had his small group of friends at the wall, but it's still so isolating there. Slow doesn't bother me =3. Better than insta-romance that some like. (I don't see how people like that sort of rping.) Makes the rp die rather quick, I think.
That's funny! I was totally just thinking maybe she could be like a lady-in-waiting, or something like that, to Margaery. Whichever you prefer =3. Is there a specific point you want to start it? If not i was thinking maybe a feast celebrating the Tyrell's arrival, or maybe if they've been there a little while there could be a tournament as a sort of thing for Joffrey's upcoming wedding? (Might need to tweak Jaime's arrival though if we go a feast sort of route).
I like that too, especially watching Varys and LF talk in the show. They're both such good actors and it's so entertaining watching them try to outwit each other. Same with Cersei and Tyrion haha.
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Davos is one of the most underrated characters in the series, he really keeps Stannis grounded when it comes to Melisandre and her demands. There are a few times when Stannis goes of the rails, perhaps, but I think Davos is probably the one reason that he's still alive and not completely mad.
I've never really understood the appeal when it comes to insta-romance either :/ It seems as though you can only get to a certain point and then there really isn't anything left. You can still deal with relationships and bring in other issues, but most of the time it just seems as though it's pairing people up and then giving them a 'happily every after'. Not that happy endings exist in the GoT universe. I'm sure Rhaegar, Brandon and Lyanna would be able to confirm that.
Hee hee, we were on the same wavelength then! A feast sounds good, and it means that there are plenty of conversations just waiting to happen. Well, conversations or arguments, probably leaning more towards arguments if Cersei's involved. Her ability to keep a cool head is somewhat limited, though she tries to play the part so well.
Tyrion always seems to have the upper hand though. He has a far better mind for politics than his sister, and you can definitely see Tywin in that.