Why is there hate for this?

[Griever]

Seriously? Blacks were more than enslaved.



Ring a bell?

Anywho, comparing which demographic has the most lynchings or mob violence is kind of counterproductive, isn't it? Though you'd be hard pressed to convince me that there has ever, ever been anti-homosexual violence to the degree there was anti-black or anti-Catholic (just as two examples) violence. Though I'm open to stats or something.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anti-LGBT violence is in any way "justified" because it hasn't occurred on the same scale as violence toward other groups. All I'm saying is that I think my original point stands; LGBT lifestyles are arguably more acceptable than they've ever been in recent history, and the violence, while tragic, is by no means systemic or widespread as it has been in the past nor as systemic and widespread as anti-Semitism, anti-Catholicism, anti-black violence.

S'all I'm saying.

If you honestly believe that homosexuals weren't and still aren't the most oppressed group throughout the history of man, you have very clouded and selective judgment.

-Only a select FEW blacks were lynched. And as I'm sure you know, only those select few were lynched by one group in particular, the KKK.

-(This still applies today in some sense): Way back when, people could discredit their enemies by claiming they were homosexuals. In addition to being discredited, they were often hung or, after the advent of automobiles, tied to a car and dragged.

-Blacks have been referred to as "niggers," which comes from the word niger/negro, which literally means "black."
-Homosexuals have been referred to as "degenerates" throughout history. One of those is clearly more offensive.

-In regards to statistics, I'm not sure if there are any. Maybe there are, but I'm too lazy to search for them. Regardless, homosexuals have been held under such scrutiny since human civilization that I'm not sure anyone in the past would have even cared to gather such statistics.

-In addition to the statistics thing, homosexuals have been forced to live very sheltered lives throughout history.

tl;dr: Homosexuals are more oppressed. Sorry to break it to anyone that isn't already aware.

[Jordoom]

Grieve, as a student of post-bellum American history, I'm going to have to disagree. Sorry. I guess that's the position we're at. Oppression is oppression, though, whether it is against one person or one hundred thousand. But, if I had to be a gay man in the 21st century or a black man in the 19th, I would most certainly choose the first one. Hands down.

All that said, your ignorance of anti-black violence astounds and disheartens me. Many more than "a select few" blacks were lynched. And lynching blacks started before the KKK did. Lynchings were often public events, carried out on Saturday or Sunday afternoons, and almost everyone in town would attend.

Even today, in the United States, anti-black bias has been the most frequently reported hate crime motivation. (African-Americans constitute the second-largest minority group; Hispanics being the largest). Of the nearly 8,000 hate crimes reported to the FBI in 1995, almost 3,000 of them were motivated by bias against blacks. Other frequently reported bias motivations were anti-white, Jewish, gay, Muslim, Asian, Native American, and Hispanic sentiments.

Tolerance for homosexuals, however, is on the rise. 49 of the 50 Fortune 500 companies, for example, include "sexual orientation" on their list of non-discrimination policies, and over half of them give spousal rights to homosexual couples.

In terms of support of public policies, according to the same 2001 study, 76% of the general public think that there should be laws to protect gay and lesbian people from job discrimination, 74% from housing discrimination, 73% for inheritance rights, 70% support health and other employee benefits for domestic partners, 68% support social security benefits, and 56% support GL people openly serving in the military. 73% favor sexual orientation being included in the hate crimes statutes. 39% support same-sex marriage, while 47% support civil unions, and 46% support adoption rights. Much higher numbers than you would have ever had.

[Kill Frenzy]

Whinge whinge whinge.

No body likes you because you're gay. What a horrible world we live in.

I'll be straight off the bat; if someone has a problem with your sexuality. Then fuck those cunts, clearly they've made up their mind; don't be some sad pathetic fuck bitching about how you're discriminated against on the net. If folks hate you, you hate em right back; you can't be every bodies friend and why would you want to? The planet is filled with retards!

Look at me for fucksake!

If someone stops you out on the street and gay bashes on you; knock their fuckin teeth out. Are you going to show some fucking pride and fight back every time someone tries to beat you down? Or will you add to the sissy, weakling stereotype of gays by bitching and ranting to these lefty fucks.

I assume from reading your post that you are a male; gay or not you can still man the fuck up and show some balls.

[James Davy]

I know of one place in the world (out of possibly more) that has outlawed homosexuality and treated it like a taboo in society (along with incest, zoophilia, pædophilia and necrophilia) and that place is Singapore. No, I'm not being xenophobic; that is a fact.

[Hank]

Why are people arguing about which minority is more oppressed? It's not important who received moar hate -- the fact that any of them are receiving it at all is bad enough. =/

[Jordoom]

Indeed, Hank. Which is why a few posts ago, I wrote

"Anywho, comparing which demographic has the most lynchings or mob violence is kind of counterproductive, isn't it?"

It was Griever who instigated the tangent, and I felt I had to carry it on when he wrote that very few blacks and only the KKK lynched people. It may have been excusable if he weren't American...

[SweetTemptation]

Most of the time it's what people have been taught. Such as if they're religious, most religions are against it. But the thing is they only go with what the high up people say, and really don't put in their own opinion. Such as "Why do you hate gays?" "Because I'm (insert religion here) and we don't like that." See? Instead of simply saying something like "I don't hate them, I just don't agree with it." Keep in mind some people are like that, just not most.

At least that's the way it is with me.
It really sometimes is pure ignorence, and I do admit that's what makes me more mad.
I don't have an issue with people not agreeing with me, but when they do it purely because others do it, then I have an issue with them.

[Kill Frenzy]

Such as if they're religious, most religions are against it.

Totally because I hunt down homosexuals all the time.

[satindesire]

I'd like some honest opinions on why, and I won't be offended if you put down your actual opinion. Cross my heart and hope to cry.

Now here's the actual question. Why do people just hate homosexuals right off the bat? I've been at work and have been quoted the Bible from people that wouldn't even know me or my name if I didn't work there and have a name tag. I also get glared at a lot. Yes, I'll admit I have my fruit moments, but normally I'm a fairly average Joe. Is it just cause it's Tennessee, I'm more flaming than I think I am, or is it really just easy to hate for no reason at all?

I think...that...yes, it is easy to hate for no reason at all. Some people are hateful, because they were brought up in an environment where it was either encouraged or in the least, not punished. Some people are hateful because they are insecure and fearful and it is their security blanket. Whatever the reason is, there is absolutely NO reasoning with truly hateful people. Hate is an emotion beyond logic and beyond reason, and the best thing you can do is stick up for yourself.

I deeply sympathize with your situation, having been there a few times myself.

Why are people arguing about which minority is more oppressed? It's not important who received moar hate -- the fact that any of them are receiving it at all is bad enough. =/

This is true. And because it's true it makes me really sad.

If someone stops you out on the street and gay bashes on you; knock their fuckin teeth out. Are you going to show some fucking pride and fight back every time someone tries to beat you down? Or will you add to the sissy, weakling stereotype of gays by bitching and ranting to these lefty fucks.

As...well..as abrasive as he is, I agree with the spirit of his post. If you back down from a bully, you'll continue to get bullied. Their kind knows no boundaries or self-restraint.

[Kill Frenzy]

As...well..as abrasive as he is, I agree with the spirit of his post. If you back down from a bully, you'll continue to get bullied. Their kind knows no boundaries or self-restraint.

Simple reality is... There's a difference between a violent and aggressive arsehole and a bully. The first kind tend to be indiscriminate and like to fight with folks their own size or bigger.

The second kind is in one of the truest senses; scum. They are a people whom often do not subscribe to any real ideology or belief; rather having their actions motivated by their insecurities and deep psychological issues. These people are incredibly weak individuals who target those whom are vulnerable- Unfortunately for ye fags out there.

Homosexuals are and have been for a long time, a vulnerable group; this is due to the fact that you are either few in number or that those whom are open about their homosexuality are few in number. Homosexuals are also not a notoriously violent group of people, thus while whether you as the individual are weak or strong; you will be perceived as weak in the eyes of bullies.

I reaffirm my advice; show these sad, sick fucks how tough you can be.