Hmm. How about we try approaching this from a different position since we're not all getting through to each other, using clarification. [b]#1:[/b] If it's non-violent (verbal) abuse, what do you do, what avenues are available, and in what order do you do those things? (ex: Do you first attempt to communicate, then turn to others for help, then resort to violence as a last resort? Is there an ordered structure, is it one option only, is it situational dependent?) [b]#2:[/b] If it's physical abuse, what do you do, what avenues are available, and in what order do you do those things? [b]#3:[/b] If it's physical or verbal abuse by a parent, what do you do, what avenues are available, and in what order do you do those things? It seems we all agree these things are problems but we don't agree on resolution, so lets try to clarify the questions a bit more, then put the solutions more in a list of most favourable to least favourable as opposed to some generic "my way is right". Isn't this the sort of situation where there are multiple solutions, but some might be better than others anyway?