[quote=Imperfectionist]
I think all that first link does is validate what I said in my last post. Nothing is perfect, scientists are human, they do the best they can with what they've got, they can make mistakes, yada yada yada... The only reason this is news is because of the politics of the people on either side of the argument, . Without that politics, they would have no reason to falsify such things. And, it's entirely possible that they did nothing wrong. . These kinds of problems with the system get worked out over time. I'm not saying that there aren't individuals who are scientists, I'm saying that their failings are not the failings of the scientific community as a whole.[/quote]

What you're describing here is called the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman]No True Scotsman fallacy.[/url] That's not a big deal to me, argue how you like.... I only bring it up because the inclination you feel to justify and defend the practice of science is sort of my whole point. [b]That specific emotion[/b] is comparable to religious belief. And I don't mean that as an insult -- I'm a religious person, I respect religious beliefs. They're important to me. I just want to be allowed to call it what it is. It means we're really not so different and we have no business demeaning each other over how we choose to think. 

[quote]Your generalizations, basically, are what I take issue with.
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What, specifically, are you taking issue with?