[quote=Imperfectionist] :/ I feel like we've been making the same points at each other for a while, now, mdk. You are saying "science isn't ideal!" and I'm saying "there is no monolith of science! They're just fallible people!" Yeah, I believe we are in agreement. There are problems inherent in the system, based on simple economics and human nature. I simply choose to believe that such things are temporary, and we are moving towards a less flawed system... [/quote] Where we differ is, you're dismissing these shortcomings on account of the ultimate ideal; while I'm dismissing the ultimate ideal on account of the shortcomings. I don't think we're 'on a path towards full understanding of the cosmos,' not in the least. Ironically my conclusion is the one based on evidence, and yours the one based on faith.