[quote=So Boerd]
Or you tell them that they won't be punished if no one sees them. Sailing in a vessel with no bottom. Every moral argument or instruction you would give is the same: Behavior X hurts others, causes Y societal malady, etc.

No society which has categorically rejected a higher power has been the better for it. Not revolutionary France, not Russia, not China, not North Korea, not Cambodia, not Vietnam. Not a single one, for how many trials? Talk about being unscientific, why would we try it again?
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Are we talking about categorically rejecting higher powers? I know I'm not. You still have said nothing to refute the fact that training ourselves to be empathetic, [i]even if we have faith in a higher power[/i], would lead to ruin.