:) And I agree, but that wasn't the original focus of the argument. No one is advocating for forcing everyone to be secular in all their dealings. EDIT: What I'm saying is that all people should be able to look at a piece of dogma, and determine which parts are moral and which parts are immoral, based on universal values that should be true no matter your faith. To use some (EDIT: very basic) Christian examples: -Turn the other cheek: moral -Love thy neighbor, and thy enemy: moral -Stone adulterers: immoral -Decry homosexuality as an abomination: immoral