[quote=Imperfectionist]Eurgh. <-- This is the sound I make when I read a wall of quotes and snark. It's too artificial, in my opinion, too focused on making fun of every sentence and making sure you push me so far into the ground that making an effective rebuttal is nigh-impossible... I mean, in all seriousness, Brovo, how in the name of am I supposed to answer that?[/quote] Patiently and one at a time, if you wanted. Or only specific pieces that interest you, if you wish. The argument is cut up like that specifically to make it easier to digest and reply to in an orderly manner. Or like, just resort to heaping amounts of ad hominem, I'm sure that helps facilitate good discussion. [quote=Imperfectionist]Yes, you are cleverer than me, Brovo. Congrats.[/quote] >Complains about snark >Snarks [quote=Imperfectionist]I've spent the last two gorram hours attempting to respond, and it boils down to this: You clarified. You weren't talking about certainty, you were talking about reasonable skepticism. I can respect that. The way that you originally said it was flawed, and I simply hope you do not use that type of in the future.[/quote] [quote=Brovo]Atheism is a natural end point to logical skepticism: If I can't prove it's physically real, I cannot believe in it [/quote] This is as ground down to simple fine powder as I can possible make it and this is the position I started with and still stand by. If fantastic evidence for a deity appears, and it's scientifically verifiable and all that jazz, I'll follow it. If not, if I can't physically prove it's real... Then I cannot believe in it. Again. I'm not sure how this is flawed at all considering the two statements are [b]identical[/b] save that one has inferred meaning and the other is an excessively chunky way of saying the same thing, but I digress. [quote=Imperfectionist]That's it in a nutshell.[/quote] That's all folks! [quote=Imperfectionist]The rest... Whatever. You got me. I'm neurotic, you're rational, and you don't give a damn how the golden mean came to be, or what time really is, or whether you can trust your perceptions. And your mind is probably a lot healthier because of that. Goodnight.[/quote] Except I told you what time is, both that there is real, physical, measurable time that is affected by gravity and momentum, and human perceptions of it. I also fully stated that if you go down the rabbit hole enough the only thing you can believe with absolute certainty is that your mind/consciousness is real. Nothing else beyond that can be "proven" beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt. Also have no idea where the golden mean came into this. And I never claimed to be in any way superior, healthier, or otherwise, to you. Honestly I apologize if I came across as unnecessarily cruel or otherwise towards you, I just aimed for humour, nothing more. I've also tried to stress to you before that I have a hard time reading inferred tones in voices, leave alone text written out in the Internet, so however you interpreted it to cause offense, well, it was not intended.