-shrug- I just still think you've drawn the wrong conclusions, Gwazi. Not only are there good people, I've already told you of people who do, in fact, justify their faith through reason.

As for unhealthy and counter-productive, what kind of health are we talking? And the same for counter-productive. What would be produced that being part of a religious community stifles (and please don't say science, you know as well as I that there are a multitude of religious scientists in all fields). As a corollary, I would really like it if you could prove that it was absolutely the religious practice itself that causes people to be "counter-productive", and not other factors that are ascribed to religion.