[quote=Imperfectionist]I'm not Christian, Brovo.[/quote] He's well aware of that, what was trying to be said is that you're [u]acting[/u] very Christian by hating someone for disagreeing with you. [quote=Imperfectionist]It makes me sick that such an intelligent person (much more intelligent than me) can't see the negative effects of his own words and actions, can't see that he is actively campaigning against people who have done no wrong.[/quote] You know considering you just called me much more intelligent than you, you sure are claiming to know better than me in a lot. [quote=Imperfectionist]He could do so much more. Instead of engaging perfectly moral people in bullshit "debates" on the Guild, he could use his obvious strengths in logic and rhetoric to argue against the actions of the immoral, twisted people he actually has a case against.[/quote] I started a topic, those who replied made the choice to engage in the debate. I didn't march up to anyone specifically and go "Hey you! Let's debate your Religion!". :lol And if you've been paying attention, I have been arguing the immoral actions already like you want me to. It's just that since I [u]also[/u] voiced disagreement with the concept of treating something as fact without evidence, you took it as if I hate and attack all religious people... and ironically responded with the exact same behaviour you accuse me of doing. Though let me try to highlight the difference between disagreeing, and actively working against. Disagree: I do not agree with the opinion, I would personally act or do differently. But it is not a serious enough issue for me to try to seriously argue or change outside of saying "I disagree with this" Ex: I disagree with people who choose to identify as feminists, but if they're actions all point towards gender equality and not third-wave feminism then I'm fine with them. Actively working against: This is something where I will not simply agree to disagree and keep going. I find this behavioural outright harmful to others, and would actively work to make it stop. Ex: Someone comes in and says "I think we should stop teaching science, and teach the Bible. Because that's all we need". That is basically abandoning all of humanity's progress and advancement in knowledge, that is something I would not stand for and openly argue against. Even then though I do not hate them. Do I heavily disagree and argue with them? Yes. Do I happen to piss them off enough they PM Brovo about how much they hate me? Yes. Do I actually hate them in return however? No. I tend to have strong opinions about things, and I will openly voice them to both those who ask and those who are simply willing to listen. I tend to be very direct and blunt in my methods of communication, all characteristics that people typically associate with hating the recipient. But in my case that simply is not true, I do not hate them, I strongly disagree with them. Disagree with them enough I am more than willing to voice that disagreement in open debate. [quote=Imperfectionist]Wasted potential, Brovo, and wasted energy, on all our parts. That is what this thread represents.[/quote] Actually what this thread represents is open conversation and debate, an open marketplace and exchange of ideas where the best ones will win out in the end. I will openly admit to having started it the wrong way with the loaded question bit, but the purpose was not to go "Shame on you religious people! May you suffer and feel terrible about yourselves! I hate you!". It was to open conversation and dialogue. And often times that requires people to be direct, to be honest and have thick enough skin to not throw a fit when someone disagree's with them. I will repeat, if you do not have thick enough skin to handle disagreement, OT is not for you. And your willingness to outright hate someone over a disagreement (especially one you claim to relate to and understand) does kind of highlight that you may not be able to handle disagreement or criticism as well as you think you can.