[quote=natsumehack] Clearly casual gamers only play casual games, not hard games, i now dismiss your claims, and you shall be sent to the internet prison of lies known only as Wikipedia. [/quote] From Wikipedia itself: "A casual gamer is a player whose time or interest in playing games is limited. Casual gamers may play games designed for ease of gameplay, [b]or play more involved games[/b] in small groupings of time, [b]at a slower pace than hardcore gamers[/b]." It took me something like two years to finish Demon's Souls due to a long break, and Dark Souls was looking to be more of a year-long simply because I couldn't be bothered to actually progress my character past a certain level. ;]