[quote=Raineh Daze]
Er... the Joker is, in straight combat, bottom-tier. He's a guy with some basic hand to hand ability, and poison. The more toned-down versions of (definitely not the Silver Age version) would probably not be amiss in this thread, and the Joker stands literally no chance against that. I think you're either overestimating normal people in a straight fight, or underestimating everyone else.
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Of course maybe but what i am saying is that he can keep in a fight with most human character maybe not so much people like Superman that is but he is very charismatic and could maybe talk his way out.