[quote=Griever] Some of these people put PETA to shame and make them look soft. [/quote] lol I saw a video that would put PETA to shame. They choose their words very carefully to engage our emotions... Pathos if you will, to get people to switch to a vegan diet. Now, Mike and I are wanting to have a farm with pigs, chickens, cows, goats, and even a water system that gives nutrients to the fish and the fish water gives nutrients to the plants. The land animals and the fowl will die with some sense of mercy,but the fish will suffocate anyways. Would we sell the meat and the eggs? Hell yeah. Some people would eat that shit up. Although, I think buffalo would be a better choice than cows, as they grow quickly and big like a cow with hormone injections and steroids, but I want milk for the household for many, many things.