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Well... That certainly wrecked the mood.

Bobo if you're wondering what BKburke is asking about, Jack is about to kill Serenity with a bomb vest. Right now only Aria (Played by Misuchan) and Dark Matter (Played by me) are immeaditely close enough to save her. BKburke wants to know if it's okay to kill Serenity or not, as it's his turn and all he needs to do is let go of the deadman switch. Do you approve?

To be honest bobo, there isn't really a plan that would really work that would save serenity. Each one has a one in 1 million chance of actually working.

It is in Jacks character to let go of that switch.

Lucius Cypher said
Well... That certainly wrecked the mood.Bobo if you're wondering what BKburke is asking about, Jack is about to kill Serenity with a bomb vest. Right now only Aria (Played by Misuchan) and Dark Matter (Played by me) are immeaditely close enough to save her. BKburke wants to know if it's okay to kill Serenity or not, as it's his turn and all he needs to do is let go of the deadman switch. Do you approve?

It's fine with me, I guess. I would say person RPing as serenity should have a say in it, but because of the current situation, I'm not sure there's much to say

I also think Blue should get atleast know before I make the post.

Blue's going to have school, so maybe killing Serenity would allow Blue justification why she won't be able to keep up with us. But Bobo has spoken, and now the die-cision falls onto Blue. In the event that a lot of stuff happens in the OOC that she doesn't want to read through, BKburke I'd suggest you PM her about her possible fate.

I really wonder how this will effect the titans as well as Dark matter knowing that some new guy went in and managed to not only capture but kill a teen titan.

If Jack does kill Serenity, than Dark Matter has both as a very good reason to kill Jack and join the Teen Titans. Not because of Serenity, but because of the threat that Jack poses. This is also assuming that Dark Matter doesn't end up killing Jack in this encounter, though I doubt that. Though it may also end up involving Wild Flower an the Pah Zoov Yaj, but that depends on how in-over his head Dark Matter gets himself into.

That's where things get interesting. For now the titans want revenge, and when Jack meets his end, his brother isn't gonna be happy about that.

If.

Being that I'm not part of the Titans, nor would I be a good one, I can't say I know how they will end up. This is mostly speculation, made by my own options and obsrevations, which are subjugated to change as new evidence provides itself.

My current impression on the Titans is not good, and by that I mean I don't think they're very good heroes. As I've mentioned, their attitudes makes them very bad candidates to serve justice. Their actions, and the reasons for it, likely won't be for the best. Right now I have the impression that they don't have a "Don't kill" rule; I'm pretty sure the only reason they haven't killed anyone was because their first opponent was a giant robot, and they couldn't land a clean blow onto you. Killing Serenity will either make them go into a rage, giving them very little inclination to hold back, or possibly make everyone get very serious and think of how to not get revenge, but to bring both Jack and the Shadow Complex to justice. The latter is what I would consider the "Best" option, as it bring a sense of maturity to the team while still being "Good".

Because while I am no master of the law, if you do kill Serenity, you murder a teenager. For money, at that. I'm pretty sure being an bounty hunter is an illegal occupation, even if killing Serenity was not your original intention. Additionally, Serenity could also fall under the category of 'Endangered Species" as well as "Government Associate" due to her membership with the Teen Titans. This may brand Jack as a terrorist, which will flag his entire family if his identity gets discovered some how. Postmortem possibly. Even if they're completely normal people, they're still his family and thus associated with him.

That's why the complex already has false evidence to frame other crime lords that are notorious is jump city.

Jack already plans on leveling the building making it difficult to find evidence to begin with, but if that evidence is set right, the complex will continue its secrecy. After all, the only people that know of the complex are those that have been hunted and so far, no hunt has ever gone unsuccessful.

They have been doing things for a long time and simple death won't get them noticed anytime soon.

Seems like you have your bases covered than. If Jack does escape, Dark Matter would likely be the one to get's pinned for his actions. Hell, if the Titan's really go mad with anger, they might think that Dark Matter was the one who took Serenity. Though if Dark Matter does somehow ally with the Teen Titans... He might be able to take advantage of being framed. Mainly if the Shadow Complex can frame Dark Matter in such a way that it makes him into a public enemy. A Super Villain. Because if Dark Matter is bad at anything, it's subtly.

People may not exactly know who dark matter is but he has henchmen, thus people do know about him to an extent.

Another thing that makes the complex so secret is that data wise, not a single member they have exists, no finger prints, birth certificates, anything about their identity belongs to the complex because that is where they are born and raised. The titans and even dark matter could look up Jack Maverous but there isn't a single thing they would find. Maybe another guy with the same name because that is quite common in society but that would throw them off completely.

There is a reason why I said the complex has their own intentions and their own way of doing things. They have no connections to any organization. That can be bad in terms of resources if not handled properly, but if you don't work with anyone, it makes it that much harder to find out who you are because there isn't a single person who has ever heard of you. Imagine what things you could pull off if no one ever knew you existed and won't ever know. You can't interrogate people because to find out info because no one knows of them. You can't report something that doesn't exist.

Unless the Shadow Complex really doesn't work with people, like they don't even use money and just steal everything, simply interacting with others adds a chance that someone could discover them. Think of it like the Batcave; did Bruce Wayne hire people to make it or did he do it all himself? Some people have been caught merely because of a dollar they've used. Not usually possible, but than again, an organization who's very existence is unknown to the world, despite perhaps doing some of the most controversial thing? Odds are about to same. Plus, there is people who know who the Shadow Complex are. The Teen Titans. Do they know they exist or even anything about them? No. But that's where Dark Matter comes in.

Being one of the more notorious, if small time, criminals lords, Dark Matter's reputation will be catapulted into public enemy if the Shadow Complex really wants to get him out of the way. So he'll work with the Teen Titans. This will allow him to discover the Shadow Complex through John, who believes that Jack works for them due to his past meeting. While the Teen Titan's can't exactly help Dark Matter directly due to the fact that he is very much a Criminal, he will embrace his new found infamy. Namely, by doing what Dominick planned to do with that warehouse; take it for himself. He will create the Shadow Complex, and use it to stage attacks of terror across the world. This will spread the name of the Shadow Complex everywhere, and in doing so, they will attempt to find out about this Shadow Complex.

In doing so, we create something of a Schrodinger Cat; through Jack you claim that the Shadow Complex does not exist. Though Dark Matter I will claim that it does. By working with the Titan's to stage these events, and eventually rising into the ranks of the Justice League in order to gain their involvement, Dark Matter would raise the awareness of the Shadow Complex through independent as well as the resources provided by those allied with the Teen Titan's.

Of course, this plan has a lot of moving parts and things could go wrong. Often they do. The main thing we have to figure out is if Dark Matter get's framed. And, of course, if the Teen Titan's are willing to be so underhanded as to allow criminal acts to occur simply to lure out the Shadow Complex or raise the awareness of their existence. It also depends on what John knows.

John knows one thing, a name. Simple as that.

Explain how you can frame an organization that is unknown. Explain how you can make them look bad if you are the primary target. Explain how to get people to look for them when they are looking for you. Go ahead and use their name, the only thing you would be doing is helping them stay hidden because its you, what happens when you get caught? Are you going to tell them it was the complex and not you? That would make Dark matter look like an idiot. So go ahead and use their name, they won't go after you simply because that would be foolish. The biggest threat to you would be yourself. Dark matter would only be setting himself up.

It's a long term goal, and one that, while Dark Matter would like to accomplish, he's not exactly going to dedicate his life to. If he does get framed and goes to the Titan's, he could at least clear his name. Additionally, if the Teen Titan's are serious about getting the Shadow Complex to justice, than Dark Matter could ask John why he thinks Jack is looking for him. And than we can do a background check for John, figure out what made him wanted Jack. And unless you plan to never come back after getting rid of Serenity, your repeated trips to take the Teen Titan's is certainly something worth investigations. Every trip is another chance to catch you and the Shadow Complex. The thing is, Dark Matter banks on the idea that Dark Matter does fail at some point; that as he makes the organization of Shadow Complex, and that he does crimes that Shadow Complex does, or will be known to doing. Right now, it seems that they have a habit of taking Titans. Narrow, yeah, but it's what we have to work with. Now, say that Dark Matter does create the Shadow Complex and he's stopped. But Titans are still being taken, or whatever pattern of theft it seems that Jack is going for. Someone has to figure it out. Dark Matter will tell them the truth; they can use whatever they want on him, and he wouldn't be lying when he says that he made the Shadow Complex and that he only made it up when he was framed for killing a Teen Titan. Someone with more resources and power than either of us and our respective organizations will want to figure this out.

Another thing is that the Teen Titan's are in on this. Dark Matter get's caught? They bail him out and he does it again and again, until the types of crimes his Shadow Complex commits are being looked into, and continue despite the fact that Dark Matter isn't active anymore. They'd know that there are others who are doing what the Shadow Complex does. They'd eventually find the actual Shadow Complex. Does Dark Matter win in the end? Likely not. But I don't know how the end is going to look, only that there is a road before me that I can travel, and walls which I can overcome.

Your Shadow Complex is a lot like Hidden Posting; we don't know anything about them because it acts on information that is only implied, not necessarily told outright. And if Dark Matter is good at anything, it's stealing things and ideas to make it his own, relying on nothing but himself to get what he needs. Once he has it, that's all that he has to worry about. He is literally Villainous Dark Matter He could live entirely in isolation, and create anything he needs as long as there are things around him. Much like the Shadow Complex, he doesn't need to interact with people to get it. He does though, because he's aware of the advantage it provides. Heck, if this really takes off, my Shadow Complex could very well rival yours. Taking aliens, absorbing their powers, that sort of thing. If the Teen Titan's couldn't stop you, I doubt they'd be able to stop Dark Matter either. Unless you want to figure out how to topple his newly created Shadow Complex.

But hey, what do I know? I got ideas, plans maybe, but I don't know anything until it happens. But I can still try.

Wow I really didn't expect I would find this when I woke up. Well to be honest I'm pissed off but my anger won't solve anything. The situation is what it is, nothing I say will change it. The realistic thing I guess would be to kill off Serentiy. Even though it's only the first day on the RPG. I had lots of plans for her being the last Lunarian and stuff but nevermind that. *sigh* I guess thanks for waiting to post with me knowing about it. It's seems a bit unfair since some of the titans didn't care about Serenity's kidnapping, like Sam for goodness sake fell asleep :/ that really annoys me. The titans haven't even showed up yet either. Ugh *another sigh*

Even though I'm going to be busy with school, that doesn't mean I can't post. I just won't post as often as I used to. That comment kind of made me feel like you didn't want me in the group but it's just words so I'm probably misreading them. Anyway everything is what it is, even if I really hate it. Am I allowed to make a new character though?

BlueAjah said
Wow I really didn't expect I would find this when I woke up. Well to be honest I'm pissed off but my anger won't solve anything. The situation is what it is, nothing I say will change it. The realistic thing I guess would be to kill off Serentiy. Even though it's only the first day on the RPG. I had lots of plans for her being the last Lunarian and stuff but nevermind that. *sigh* I guess thanks for waiting to post with me knowing about it. It's seems a bit unfair since some of the titans didn't care about Serenity's kidnapping, like Sam for goodness sake fell asleep :/ that really annoys me. The titans haven't even showed up yet either. Ugh *another sigh*Even though I'm going to be busy with school, that doesn't mean I can't post. I just won't post as often as I used to. That comment kind of made me feel like you didn't want me in the group but it's just words so I'm probably misreading them. Anyway everything is what it is, even if I really hate it. Am I allowed to make a new character though?

It is your character she should be able to get away somehow...

i mean i could bullshit it seriously and take her to an alternate reality where she cant be harmed...and every part of her would come with them...including her blood...

Well. The situation is set. I'm sorry Blue but there really isn't any plan we could come up with to have serenity live. Any plan would literally have impossible odds.

I have an idea for you.

Edit: Im not one to take away a character on the first day so I do have an idea where Serenity comes out of this alive. I leave the rp. The complex could relay to Jack that the titans just aren't useful to them. Only one titan has encountered him and has no idea about him.

Im willing to leave. It doesn't seem right that Blue has her character die on the first day. Especially cuz the titans didnt bother much looking for her. I can make an exiting post. I'm pretty good at those.