[quote=Ollumhammersong] The idea behind the 903rd being that in a land of constant disorginization, political backstab, and rampant paranioa and distrust they are perhaps the one constant that remains. And considering who the umbrans are I don't think that thinking up a private and extremely brutal (even by their standards) conditioning and training regime is out of the question. Especially training them for unconditional and unquestioning loyalty. And the name 903rd as I said was their more recent title. They have had a lot fo names, Rebrandings, etc. I can remove the 903rd part but the name is really arbitrary. They have existed in one form or another for a long time. Their name and the extent of their duties would vary from Czar to Czar, And because of the Ambition/Paranioa/greed/ Of the Czars regardless of their benevolence. Maybe a long time ago the 903rd was attached to a specific Czar, but once that Czar was defeated they were given the option to either die with their master or continue serving. Obviously they chose the latter. From that point it became a sort of twisted tradition amongst the 'battalion' (Or whatever we are going to call it) To pledge loyalty to the newest Czar, as long as they get to continue killing and Carrying out the Traditions they don't give a flying fuck who is calling the shots. The Czars, for all their posturing are loathe to completely throw away such a useful tool. So they fix it up, give it a new name to make it seem as if they are completely different from the previous regime and Viola! The Battalion lives on in some capacity or another. And like I said most of them would be dispersed and awaiting orders for reformation. Only a small 'core' would be continuing active service such as Scouting, Black-ops, spying on other noble houses, etc [/quote] The current Czar has dismantled bioweapons programs, released POWs, stopped a supersoldier program, among other things. Getting rid of the mindless death-squad drones would be priority one. [quote=Ollumhammersong] I can easily strike the battalion from their name, And the 903rd. I just thought they were badass. And making assumptions about the military. Even evil people can pride discipline and regimentation, was my thought anyway. The size is negotiable. I left it at a battalion figuring any thing else would be to large or to small for anything large scale the Czar needed done. And maybe they aren't the official house guard (because keeping secret guards sounds exactly like an umbran thing to do) [/quote] Umbrans have secret research. They enjoy theatrics with their royal guard and the whole '3 dozen badasses protect me at all times' is a great assassin deterrent, seeing as how Umbrans tend to value their own lives more than anything. [quote=Ollumhammersong] I can alter the armour as well. That is easy. And I don't think every single dark affiliated person needs to extole every last virtue to be identified as dark. Yes he has no real sense of Greed or ambition. But Strong senses of [b]pride, ruthlessness, and Cold hearted[/b] doesn't begin to approach, And a temper when roused that can be as terrifying as a demigod's. Even if a water affiliated person doesn't have to strong a sense of emotions or just hides them better. I think most of them would shy away and vomit from a quarter of the shit he has been asked to do. [/quote] Fire, Light, and Water, respectively. Do not think water people weak. Most serial killers can be thought of as water. And no, you don't have to extoll every Dark virtue, but you need at least one. [quote=Ollumhammersong] Now yes he lacks any of the defining characteristics of a typical 'hardcore Umbran'. But we can look at groups like the SAS and special forces who work for morally high(arguable I suppose) government and at times through history do distasteful and relatively cold tactics to get the job done. Essentially, Good people can do bad things for good reasons. And Bad people who are constantly surrounded by rivals and assassins may just feel like Conditioning a private force of fanatically loyal members who wont suffer from the same ambition and greed as everyone else would be in their best interest. Just because a character does not commit atrocities and backstab on a regular basis, doesn't mean he is not evil. He is an umbran who will just as soon stab you in the neck as answer any personal questions you try to throw his way. But he has an amazing amount of restraint as well. Knowing there is a time and a place, and anywhere outside of Umbra is usually not the place. [/quote] Any Umbran citizen(or leader) worth his/her salt would find the idea of mindless kill-drones utterly revolting. Taking away one's identity is the ultimate punishment. Umbrans are NOT evil by default. In fact, most aren't. [quote=Ollumhammersong] And as for the Umbran military. None of this information was listed, I went with what I figured was a suitably 'Lawful evil' or neutral evil character. Evil doesn;t mean you always have a plot to kill someone or you must be in a constant lust for greed or power. There are patient evil people, I mean hell if anyone read the dragonlance series where the dark queen created her own counter order to the righteous knights of Solamnia. Those knights were evil, that was without question, but they had personal honour, Chivalry, And no ambition greater than serving their Mistress. That's what made them awesome. They were knights, With nearly the same moral codes just a different ruler. [/quote] UMBRA's alignment is chaotic neutral. A lawful evil character or organization is an excessively rare thing, and likely not of dark affinity. Evil is simply not really tolerated on this world, it's generally a quite nice place to live. In the city at least. Everywhere outside is generally a death-filled wasteland in most places. I'm sorry, this organization and this character do not work as Umbrans. but nobody in this age of RUNE's history would tolerate such an organization. It cannot be stressed enough that right now, each government can be considered Good (save Ignis, which needs a new Warlord), and would not allow anyone to commit such atrocities in their name. Nevermind my global ban on Evil characters. (Evil player characters have ruined SO MANY games in my experience. Espescially in dungeons and dragons) With that in mind, I'll have to deny him in his current state.