[quote=mdk] The symbol is secondary to the concept. The concept is that, in the actual world, in natural science, assigned values are, from the most basic to the most complex units, facile. Matter is simultaneously more and less than itself, and both more and less than what we would call an equivalent value. Digital sound is incremental, and fundamentally different from analogue -- is it so radical a concept that human comprehension of reality is fundamentally different from true reality? [/quote] Woah woah woah are you trying to [b]apply[/b] theoretical mathematics? Tsk tsk mdk. On the topic of assigning values and 1st hand information objectivity/subjectivity etc. You should really read up some krishnamurti or allan watts. :>