[quote=Gorbo Grandman] Not at all, I was just confused. In this case, perhaps Tavon can ask Vincus to convince the bard! You're not being difficult at all, if anything you're opening up more RP possibilities. [/quote] I'm a little confused though. Is the bard in the circle with the others a human bard? Or Vincus in disguise? Or was Vincus possessing him during the song? I'm going to work with the assumption that the bard is a human character. If I am wrong then let's just say that Āwhātama is also wrong, and didn't notice Vincus in his disguise.