[quote=caliban22] 1st this is still open. and as for the Black Templar you may use them as long its a rouge/name changed. Meaning it could be the Templar with a different name and such. [/quote] It's going to be a Crusade that was drawn into the fighting for the Aurelian Sub-Sector(Expanded by both the Lamenters and Black Legion on both sides of the line) and during the fall, they lost contact with the rest of the Chapter...they essentially become a Chapter in itself(not hard sense it was already about the striength of a Codex Chapter) during the reorganization of the Aurelian Subsector. So is it enough that they be under a Non-Black Templar Faction Name, or do they have to be under a totally new name?