[quote=darkwolf687] My point was if you were in position of the nation which lacked the numerical advantage and what you mentioned and all the space ships of a major hive turned up on your door step, not your current nation specifically. Its a bit disingenuous to replace the values of an argument simply to render that argument null, especially when its stated that these values are set for this argument. [/quote] You never really set any concrete values for the argument, unless you're talking about the thick armor/no shield bit that was said a while ago. But I've already addressed that. I 'changed' them because I interpreted your query as you exclusively asking me of my own factions' likely response to beam weapons and energy shields.