*triplepost*

Captios said
For a 'torn world', having such arbitrarily blobbed nations is incredibly odd.

Torn World is more meant to reflect the status of certain land and areas after the end of WW3, not so much the border status of areas. Hell in the intro I even mentioned countries banding together.

Meh, if we're ignoring this amount of sense, I think I'll be able to snag a bit more of Ukraine. Perhaps Moldova as well.

The Guild be fucking up for me.

And its not so much were ignoring sense as were ignoring realism. Because when would either Korea ever work with Japan, much less join a Federation with them?

duck55223 said
Nah, but if peeps want some Asian nations I can give up a few.

I'd intended to be China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and Singapore but that all seems to be pretty core to your ... ultrastate(?).

I'm a bit concerned with the sheer scale of these states, given the context of disastrous war, and so I'm probably going to adopt a wait-and-see approach to making a nation. You'd think state size/organization would devolve rather than evolve, especially in such potentially fractious regions as those that've been carved up already.

In any case, I'd potentially choose Indonesia/Australia/Singapore.

Could I have the Ottoman Empires borders at its fullest extent(Without Hungary), with Iran, the Arabian Peninsula, Afghanistan, Pakistan and all those central asian countries with "stan" in their name? I can never remember their exact names.

Currently changing my territories and discussing with LordZell about letting me have Germany. Sort of now really gunning for a some sort of sudo Fourth Reich or something. Anyway, if all goes well my new territories will be Germany, Hungary, Austria, Czech. Republic, Denmark, and Poland. Sorry for any confusion, as there was seemingly a bit of a territory rush right off the bat and I got a little confused.

Work in Progress:



Name of Nation: New Aztlan Republic

Territories: Texas State, Mexico, Central America, Cuba and Columbia.

Government Type: Republic.

Military:(Describe its branches and general technological level, you don't need to go into super-detail)

Economy:(Type of economy and sources of income)

Foreign Policy:(How your nation usually responds to diplomacy)

History:(Obvious)

Foes:(Factions or other nations your nation hates)

Population:(Population)

Other:(Anything else)

BB:Yes
Skepic:Its alright, these tend to be a bit confusing in the beginning

The Captain said
I'd intended to be China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and Singapore but that all seems to be pretty core to your ... ultrastate(?).I'm a bit concerned with the sheer scale of these states, given the context of disastrous war, and so I'm probably going to adopt a wait-and-see approach to making a nation. You'd think state size/organization would devolve rather than evolve, especially in such potentially fractious regions as those that've been carved up already.In any case, I'd potentially choose Indonesia/Australia/Singapore.

Those are pretty core.

Onto the super-states thing, I feel as if disastrous conflict tends to make nations more unious. After-all it was WW2 and the end of it that brought about the EU.

duck55223 said
BB:YesSkepic:Its alright, these tend to be a bit confusing in the beginning Those are pretty core.Onto the super-states thing, I feel as if disastrous conflict tends to make nations more unious. After-all it was WW2 and the end of it that brought about the EU.

The EU isn't a single state. Do you think Poland and Germany would agree to be federalized under the same constitution in the same context? What about Japan and China?

Institutionalism is a great way to avoid conflict, hence the EU, but wounds don't heal so quick.

Captios said
For a 'torn world', having such arbitrarily blobbed nations is incredibly odd.

Mind updating the map for my color.

The Captain said
I'd intended to be China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and Singapore but that all seems to be pretty core to your ... ultrastate(?).I'm a bit concerned with the sheer scale of these states, given the context of disastrous war, and so I'm probably going to adopt a wait-and-see approach to making a nation. You'd think state size/organization would devolve rather than evolve, especially in such potentially fractious regions as those that've been carved up already.In any case, I'd potentially choose Indonesia/Australia/Singapore.

Terrorist Cell maybe trying to make a real democracy or something?

@All anyone interested in trading or history with basically the Western Power?

I would like to claim former Russian Empire lands, besides the Stans and Azerbaijan

I'd also like to request what is left of the Northern Balkans, and Alaska..

Sakaki, want to work on the borders of the balkans, since no one is interested in them other than us?(Except for Hungary as a certain someone wants them for the German Empire)

And it depends on when exactly your country was formed.

duck55223 said
Onto the super-states thing, I feel as if disastrous conflict tends to make nations more unious. After-all it was WW2 and the end of it that brought about the EU.

Not quite. It is shared-ideal factionalism that unites peoples and nations into even somewhat cohesive entities. The problem I have with much of these conglomerate superstates is that it is nigh impossible to conjure up an ideology or factional identity that would bind these peoples and nations together.

I went with religion, considering that's fairly easy to justify and an objective of a fair bit of people in that part of the world nowadays.

My Aztec Empire is essentially Mexico taking the chance to both avenge the loss of the American-Mexico war and forcefully weeding out US influence in the Carribbean and Central America by removing all of those US-backed governments they put in place during the cold war via Covert Regime changes that were obviously "for the benefit of the people".

BB said
I went with religion, considering that's fairly easy to justify and an objective of a fair bit of people in that part of the world nowadays.

Even in your more reasonable case does there exist a chance to expose 'subfactionalism', as we may call it, within the Middle East. Obviously the grand Sunni-Shia split and their various branches, but also the case of the Bahá'í Faith, Mandaeism, the Yazidis that we hear so much of nowadays, Ibadi Muslims in Oman, the whole Wahhabi bunch of shenanigans, the status of Israel and the Jewish state.

Not to mention the dual-denominations of Christianity in the Balkan peninsula and the Greek peninsula and insular territories.

And I'll conclude this by noting that nigh all historical 'superstates' if they can be called such exploited superfactionalism above nationalism or religious factionalism to maintain their power and control. Take, for example, the case of the Habsburg supremacy in Austria, the policies of the Sublime Porte in the Ottoman Empire, the whole states' rights vs federal power in the USA, cult-development and hyperstatism as well as oppressive policies in the USSR and to some extent the latter Yugoslavia, ethnic classism in various Chinese dynasties, indeed, even in my own Crimean state here does there exist a cohesive federal ideology centred about sometimes forceful national disregard and oft-violent 'enforcement' of socioeconomic equality. All of these examples highlight the importance of controlling factionalism in a superstate.

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Captios said
Even in your more reasonable case does there exist a chance to expose 'subfactionalism', as we may call it, within the Middle East. Obviously the grand Sunni-Shia split and their various branches, but also the case of the Bahá'í Faith, Mandaeism, the Yazidis that we hear so much of nowadays, Ibadi Muslims in Oman, the whole Wahhabi bunch of shenanigans, the status of Israel and the Jewish state.Not to mention the dual-denominations of Christianity in the Balkan peninsula and the Greek peninsula and insular territories.And I'll conclude this by noting that nigh all historical 'superstates' if they can be called such exploited superfactionalism above nationalism or religious factionalism to maintain their power and control. Take, for example, the case of the Habsburg supremacy in Austria, the policies of the Sublime Porte in the Ottoman Empire, the whole states' rights vs federal power in the USA, cult-development and hyperstatism as well as oppressive policies in the USSR and to some extent the latter Yugoslavia, ethnic classism in various Chinese dynasties, indeed, even in my own Crimean state here does there exist a cohesive federal ideology centred about sometimes forceful national disregard and oft-violent 'enforcement' of socioeconomic equality. All of these examples highlight the importance of controlling factionalism in a superstate.

Oh, I know. Even united by religion(And even that's not fully united as you said), there's still ethnicity and the blood thats been lost between those various groups, not even counting the trouble with maintaining the Balkans, which is still the powderkeg its been since WW1, albeit, not as much for the world. I chose it as a lesser evil sort of thing; it's not nearly fully realistic, but I'm trying to get at least somewhere there. As this RP isn't focused on realism persay, I didn't mind as much in regards to making it as realistic as I could for this RP, as that's clearly not its focus. It would certainly be fun to do something like this while fully accounting for the various ethnic conflicts, religious splits, and diversity, however. I thought I'd set back and relax a bit and not go full realism, as I haven't RP'd here for a long time, and I don't want to go all out. However you do raise a lot of good points in what you say. There's also the ethnic manipulation the USSR(And PRC to a lesser degree now) that happened, such as forcibly removing all Germans from eastern europe and moving the various peoples of eastern europe around. For example, today Poland is around 99% Polish because of the USSRs meddling, which is unprecedented for almost all countries(Naturally, anyway).

94% Polish, apparently. That's probably from post cold war immigration. Probably.

BB said
94% Polish, apparently. That's probably from post cold war immigration. Probably.

Probably, given that a lot of people in Eastern Europe (And Germany) seem to immigrate to Poland than anywhere else. I'd assume it's because it having some political power in the area, other than Russia. Either that or it's nice beaches and superior sausage.