[quote=Raineh Daze] Archer thinks the refusal to kill is naive and the ideal is doomed. But then again, this is also him:Though he's trying again anyway, because of the rest of the route. XD [/quote] Meanwhile, I already linked the butterfly/spider video so I don't think there's anything left to say about Vash's ideals. :hehe Plus, it would be OOC for his mind to be changed by anyone, so... yeah. These debates won't change anything. At all. :lol