Alright, so, to show what is common among Rank 4 Xyz Monsters . . . [hider=Rank 4 Xyz Monsters with 2500 + ATK] Bahamut Shark Bujinki Amaterasu Bunjintei Kagutsuchi CXyz Mechquipped Djinn Angeneral Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon Evilswarm Ophion Evilswarm Ouroboros Gagagigo the Risen Gem-Knight Pearl Heroic Champion - Kusanagi Night Papilloperative Number 102: Star Seraph Sentry Number 104: Masquerade Number 105: Battlin' Boxer Star Cestus Number 32: Shark Drake Number 39: Utopia Number 66: Master Key Beetle Number 69: Heraldry Crest Number 85: Crazy Box Number C32: Shark Drake Veiss Number C39: Utopia Ray Number S39: Utopia One One-Eyed Skill Gainer Shadow of the Six Samurai - Shien Stellarknight Delteros Vylon Disigma[/hider] Now, maybe not all of those are amazing, but a number of those not only have good points, but also have REALLY good effects. And how many are at all touching the Limited list? Not a one. I MIGHT hit this thing with a Semi. (As in, Semi-Limit it . . . not run it over with a tractor trailer) Maybe. No guarantees. 4500 is until the end phase. Compare against Night Papilloperative. Or Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon. I see Charak's monster as on-par.