[quote=Gowi] I'm just making a comment, I won't deny something since we have such a small (and non x-men playerbase) community. Though I do think it's additionally strange for Batman to train under a crazed maniac like Kraven. [/quote] I'm just being dramatic, btw. There's nothing here saying that this Kraven is a maniac. If he is, maybe he wasn't one at the time. Or maybe Bruce put up with it because there were things to be learned.