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It's fine x3 we just need to wait for an older member and see if I'm recognised
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> And yes, from what I can remember, you yourself said that alpha was omnipotent. Either I'm remembering wrong, or you changed it for the sake of the rp. I'm guessing/hoping it's me not remembering correctly Actually, omnipotent and immortal are two different things. Omnipotence means you're capable of doing anything, immortal means you cannot be killed, or are 'not mortal'. Alpha is the amalgamation of all positive energy in the multiverse, she is the materialized form of the concept of creation at it's purest, capable of wielding an infinite amount of energy. Whether she is omnipotent or not, however, is dependent on your definition of the word. She's capable of wielding infinite power, and as such can apply effects of infinite strength. However, she can only apply her powers to create things, as she is the Primal of Creation. Omega, as the Primal of Destruction, is also 'omnipotent'. He is the amalgamation of all destructive energy in the multiverse, which is also an infinite quantity of energy. Like Alpha, he can only apply this power in accordance with his Concept, which is Destruction. Because he has infinite destructive power, he is actually capable of destroying Alpha. However, in order to do that, he would need to use all the negative energy in the multiverse to cancel out all the positive, effectively eliminating them both instantly. > Mmmmm guess The name tells me nothing, but then again I'm terrible at names. It could have a meaning I've completely forgotten. However, I can tell some small things from the mannerisms. Based on the people who would return to HCL and expect to be recognized, the choices are Luna, Spirit or Anriu. Based on mannerisms I'm ruling out Anriu, which leaves me with Spirit. Based on the fact that Luna hasn't been around in ages, and I doubt she'd reappear, I'm going to go with.... Spirit?
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> > The name tells me nothing, but then again I'm terrible at names. It could have a meaning I've completely forgotten. > > However, I can tell some small things from the mannerisms. Based on the people who would return to HCL and expect to be recognized, the choices are Luna, Spirit or Anriu. Based on mannerisms I'm ruling out Anriu, which leaves me with Spirit. > > Based on the fact that Luna hasn't been around in ages, and I doubt she'd reappear, I'm going to go with.... Spirit? Of course, you're right. It's sort of weird how easily you figured it out........but yeah, it's my deviantart name
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I've seen you around Spirit. I wondered if you'd ever come back.
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> > Of course, you're right. It's sort of weird how easily you figured it out........but yeah, it's my deviantart name Oh, when will you people learn? I'm always right! And it's nice to see you again, Spirit! It's been too long! (= And wasn't your DA name DarkSpirit or something like that?
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> > And yes, from what I can remember, you yourself said that alpha was omnipotent. Either I'm remembering wrong, or you changed it for the sake of the rp. I'm guessing/hoping it's me not remembering correctly > > Actually, omnipotent and immortal are two different things. Omnipotence means you're capable of doing anything, immortal means you cannot be killed, or are 'not mortal'. > > Alpha is the amalgamation of all positive energy in the multiverse, she is the materialized form of the concept of creation at it's purest, capable of wielding an infinite amount of energy. Whether she is omnipotent or not, however, is dependent on your definition of the word. She's capable of wielding infinite power, and as such can apply effects of infinite strength. However, she can only apply her powers to create things, as she is the Primal of Creation. > > Omega, as the Primal of Destruction, is also 'omnipotent'. He is the amalgamation of all destructive energy in the multiverse, which is also an infinite quantity of energy. Like Alpha, he can only apply this power in accordance with his Concept, which is Destruction. Because he has infinite destructive power, he is actually capable of destroying Alpha. However, in order to do that, he would need to use all the negative energy in the multiverse to cancel out all the positive, effectively eliminating them both instantly. > > > Mmmmm guess > > The name tells me nothing, but then again I'm terrible at names. It could have a meaning I've completely forgotten. > > However, I can tell some small things from the mannerisms. Based on the people who would return to HCL and expect to be recognized, the choices are Luna, Spirit or Anriu. Based on mannerisms I'm ruling out Anriu, which leaves me with Spirit. > > Based on the fact that Luna hasn't been around in ages, and I doubt she'd reappear, I'm going to go with.... Spirit? Alright. So..... another question. Alpha's concept is creation correct? And I assume the lack of free will you mentioned was true not me misremembering anything? And I assume alpha is also omniscient as well? Meaning it knows everything there is to know about..... well, anything really. Am I correct?
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> Alright. So..... another question. > > Alpha's concept is creation correct? And I assume the lack of free will you mentioned was true not me misremembering anything? And I assume alpha is also omniscient as well? Meaning it knows everything there is to know about..... well, anything really. Am I correct? Alpha has no free will, but it's not omniscient. It knows ALMOST everything, because everything that exists was created by Alpha, including their minds and personalities, but it doesn't know everything by a long shot.
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> > > > Oh, when will you people learn? I'm always right! > > And it's nice to see you again, Spirit! It's been too long! (= > > And wasn't your DA name DarkSpirit or something like that? Of course you're always right x3 you too :3 it has It was DemonOfTheDark, but I changed the name to Kaichiiro months ago x3
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> Of course you're always right x3 you too :3 it has > > It was DemonOfTheDark, but I changed the name to Kaichiiro months ago x3 > Agh, I'm absolutely horrible at names xp Amusingly enough, your timing is fairly accurate. Mithy and Bug just pretty much timetraveled, and Spirit's right there. As such, I find it amusing that just as I was bringing your character in, you reappear.
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> > Agh, I'm absolutely horrible at names xp > > Amusingly enough, your timing is fairly accurate. Mithy and Bug just pretty much timetraveled, and Spirit's right there. As such, I find it amusing that just as I was bringing your character in, you reappear. Ven said I should make a new account because I couldn't remember my password x3 What's happening? I've read nothing
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> Ven said I should make a new account because I couldn't remember my password x3 > What's happening? I've read nothing > Well, I created a new group of Big Bads called the Champions of Omega. Their plan is to destroy all of time and space by unleashing Omega, who would then end everything. Currently, they're moving from planet to planet trying to destroy the Seals of Omega. Currently, most of the group is on a planet you've actually been to, the really cold one with the ice dragons and underground base. That's where Kishin, teo, Creed and Kevin are. They're fighting 5, a powerful nanomachine construct with Soular powers, and Toguro, a golem forged from condensed bullshitium with the power to manipulate kinetic energy. Mithy and Bug are timetraveling, in an attempt to find Drac's dad.
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> > Alright. So..... another question. > > > > Alpha's concept is creation correct? And I assume the lack of free will you mentioned was true not me misremembering anything? And I assume alpha is also omniscient as well? Meaning it knows everything there is to know about..... well, anything really. Am I correct? > > Alpha has no free will, but it's not omniscient. It knows ALMOST everything, because everything that exists was created by Alpha, including their minds and personalities, but it doesn't know everything by a long shot. True. I will admit you do have a point about alpha not having omniscience. But as it has creation-based omnipotence, can't it just CREATE it's proud ownership of said omniscience? Answer: no. Because as we both know, it would need to choose to use its power in that way. And as choice comes from free will, something alpha doesn't have. But you did say it knows ALMOST everything. Meaning it knows the pros and cons of certain actions. In the previous hell's coffee lounge on the previous roleplayer guild site, there was the battle with hate, chars died, shit went down, but then tyki showed up, pulled some bullshit that got hate instakilled. Which pissed you off enough to attempt instakilling everyone's chars via alpha. Now it may seem like I'm getting off topic. But really, I'm just providing a little background info. Otherwise what I'm about to bring up wouldn't make that much sense. That attempt pretty much provides an example of how alpha can use its power to create for destructive purposes WITHOUT going against its concept. You're a smart guy Matt. I assume you know how that can be. I'll give you a hint. It's the same reason all the dimensions are different in varying ways rather than all of them being exactly the same. And I may have taken too long with this post.
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I like your new avatar Matt. You ARE a bronie. But man i'm bored, and lonely, and it's midnight on my night off. Am I the only one with no life in a Saturday night?
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Teo, toguro has a friggin death beam. You REALLY think a mirror's going to help?
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Teo, toguro has a friggin death beam. You REALLY think a mirror's going to help?
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Mirrors, man. They reflect anything when from cartoon land.
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Also, updated Kevin's powers with a link to the wiki page on Crash magic, which has a lot more info than what I gave on it.
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Teo, toguro has a friggin death beam. You REALLY think a mirror's going to help?
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As yoshi said ,it's a cartoon mirror
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> > Alright. So..... another question. > > > > Alpha's concept is creation correct? And I assume the lack of free will you mentioned was true not me misremembering anything? And I assume alpha is also omniscient as well? Meaning it knows everything there is to know about..... well, anything really. Am I correct? > > Alpha has no free will, but it's not omniscient. It knows ALMOST everything, because everything that exists was created by Alpha, including their minds and personalities, but it doesn't know everything by a long shot. True. I will admit you do have a point about alpha not having omniscience. But as it has creation-based omnipotence, can't it just CREATE it's proud ownership of said omniscience? Answer: no. Because as we both know, it would need to choose to use its power in that way. And as choice comes from free will, something alpha doesn't have. But you did say it knows ALMOST everything. Meaning it knows the pros and cons of certain actions. In the previous hell's coffee lounge on the previous roleplayer guild site, there was the battle with hate, chars died, shit went down, but then tyki showed up, pulled some bullshit that got hate instakilled. Which pissed you off enough to attempt instakilling everyone's chars via alpha. Now it may seem like I'm getting off topic. But really, I'm just providing a little background info. Otherwise what I'm about to bring up wouldn't make that much sense. That attempt pretty much provides an example of how alpha can use its power to create for destructive purposes WITHOUT going against its concept. You're a smart guy Matt. I assume you know how that can be. I'll give you a hint. It's the same reason all the dimensions are different in varying ways rather than all of them being exactly the same. And I may have taken too long with this post.
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Actually, I retracted that statement, and it never happened. It was an act of rage, and not a part of the canon.
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Matt, fix your avatar.
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> > Alright. So..... another question. > > > > Alpha's concept is creation correct? And I assume the lack of free will you mentioned was true not me misremembering anything? And I assume alpha is also omniscient as well? Meaning it knows everything there is to know about..... well, anything really. Am I correct? > > Alpha has no free will, but it's not omniscient. It knows ALMOST everything, because everything that exists was created by Alpha, including their minds and personalities, but it doesn't know everything by a long shot. True. I will admit you do have a point about alpha not having omniscience. But as it has creation-based omnipotence, can't it just CREATE it's proud ownership of said omniscience? Answer: no. Because as we both know, it would need to choose to use its power in that way. And as choice comes from free will, something alpha doesn't have. But you did say it knows ALMOST everything. Meaning it knows the pros and cons of certain actions. In the previous hell's coffee lounge on the previous roleplayer guild site, there was the battle with hate, chars died, shit went down, but then tyki showed up, pulled some bullshit that got hate instakilled. Which pissed you off enough to attempt instakilling everyone's chars via alpha. Now it may seem like I'm getting off topic. But really, I'm just providing a little background info. Otherwise what I'm about to bring up wouldn't make that much sense. That attempt pretty much provides an example of how alpha can use its power to create for destructive purposes WITHOUT going against its concept. You're a smart guy Matt. I assume you know how that can be. I'll give you a hint. It's the same reason all the dimensions are different in varying ways rather than all of them being exactly the same. And I may have taken too long with this post.
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Actually, I retracted that statement, and it never happened. It was an act of rage, and not a part of the canon.
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I know. Which is why I said you ATTEMPTED it. But enough about that. Any power, no matter what it does, will always have some sort of destructive potential. Alpha's omnipotent creation powers are no different. As that creation power is what makes alpha omnipotent, that most likely means there is no limit to what alpha can create. Going by that logic, it can create anything. Including nonexistance. Alpha's concept is creation, leaving it little to no offensive power. It can still create stuff with no real limits. Meaning as it can create the existance of something, it can also create the nonexistance of the same exact thing. This is essentially how dimensions can be so diverse, as there are dimensions that house the existance of a given object/being while the other dimensions house the nonexistance. Otherwise, you'd have a progressively infinite number of copies of the exact same dimension. Which, as there would be nothing distinguishing what exists in one dimension as opposed to another (since in each dimension, everything would exist and nothing would not exist), would be more like a singularity. This doesn't conflict with alpha's concept because in order to render something nonexistent, it has to create the nonexistance. Going back to to the whole "creation without limits" thing, it can be assumed that alpha can also create outcomes for given actions. (Gonna stray off topic and say I looked up omnipotence, and found a similar ability called omnificence, which is essentially the correct term for alpha's omnipotent creation ability. Though I'm guessing you already knew that) as there's nothing that says it can't. So yes, my statement about alpha creating failsafes, based on this logic, is correct. As the alpha can create the outcome of genocide failing. That being said, I'm sure I messed up at some point while typing this up, so I could be wrong.
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