[quote=@Lord Wraith] [quote=@The Patriarch] [quote=@Lord Wraith] My biggest problem with the movie was the over sexualization of the female characters. Harley and Frost could have been powerful leads but both were reduced to romantic interest and sex objects for most of the story. [/quote] I don't mind sexual characters and I completely disagree with your notion on them being simply romantic interests, Killer Frost was not there just to be a sex object, she was there to help them break in arkham and she still kicked some ass and also kicked Boomer in the balls and made the ice pun which was hilarious. Harely was also vital in stopping the Joker's bomb and breaking in and out of Arkham. I have watched the movie many times and actually I think Black Spider and KGBeast got the short end of the stick, both of which were male characters. Also Killer Frost and King Shark had great chemistry together, not romantically but in mutual friendship like way. [/quote] Well they weren't just romantic interests, they were also sex objects. In the first scene Harley and Deadshot are together she's already hitting on him, it doesn't take long for her to proposition sex and then when he finally goes to bed at the Lounge, she's already in his room naked waiting for him. Overall, Harley is actual useless to the plot of the movie since if she hadn't been there, Joker wouldn't have been so interested in getting out and the bomb would have stayed in storage. Not to mention, they wouldn't have alerted Batman to their presence nor would they have had any difficulty with Penguin. Furthermore, Harley at the end of it all is reduced to an abused spouse torn between her 'husband' and 'lover'. Anytime the girls are used as distractions (I should also point out that only they get used as distractions), it generally required them to remove their clothes, case in point when they lured the guard down to the waterway where Shark jumped out and when they snuck Frost into Arkham. Both characters could easily have been replaced by a male character who likely would have been used in another way. Aside from explicitly exploiting the females' sexuality, there was no reason for either to be there. It's this kind of blatant sexism that gives comics a bad names. I just wish the movie had used its female characters a bit more progressively. [/quote] Again I'm going to have to disagree with you on most of your points. But I'm going to have to stop you right there with this debate, I'm pretty sure Sam doesn't want this thread to turn into an argument about sexism