[quote=idlehands] Going back to what you said, objectification is more than just pixels of jiggly bits. Reducing a female to an object, by making her completely helpless or taking a strong woman then rendering her into a moron by giving her a love interest is just as bad. This isn't just about Tomb Raider, a game that can be used in the arguement for and against this topic. It is an example I can give because I have personal experience with playing the series since the debut. [/quote] Making a weak female character does not mean that you're saying every female is weak. Go read Kill Bones' post again and see if you really agree with what he said, or just decided to cheer him on because you know him.