[quote=@poog the pig] Those are some big stats, and if what Sublimation says is true, Saber might need a debuff. [/quote] You know that one of the +s can be dropped and only activate under special conditions. The other one is more or less permanent since it's a bonus from her summoning. [quote=@Sublimation] If the + signs activate under special conditions(rare special conditions at that), then that's fine. A temporary quadrupling in strength to overpower a sword lock or something is reasonable. I'm just saying that every stat being better than Heracles's under mad enhancement by a value of one hundred is really odd if its something that's permanently there. [/quote] Like I said above, but I can't reveal more before uncovering Saber's identity. Also, even if her stats are nominally big, their base is still low, so for example, if someone has a shield that prevents damage from attacks bellow B-rank, Saber would still be unable to harm them without her NP because her base is a crappy C. Anyway, I want to say that Saber is a high king among the Heroic Spirits, meaning that just like the rest of them, Arthuria and her Avalon, Iskandar and the Ionian Hetaroi and Gil and the Gate of Babilon, Saber has a EX-rank NP. When she activates her sword Caster will probably squee like a fangirl. Good think that I plan to talk with Slam and Wong about having Saber's and Caster's masters form an alliance. Darryl is the master that Saber would trust more after her own, given his tendencies.