Art is subjective. It's the first thing I will always say but having a taste in a certain art style is like having a taste in a certain style of music. So when someone critiques an artwork they are basing it off their own personal interest. When critiquing words like 'lazy' can be used as it's a way of expressing how the person feel about the design, and yet I have seen in the past an artist make one change and it's taken something from terrible to amazing. What [@Shienvien] probably feels is that the design is lacking something, that it may look a little too generic, that the logo may not have a history behind it. Mitsubishi's logo is based off two family crest designs. Lamborghini's bull is based off a zodiac and love for Spanish bull fighting. That's why he, along with others, are attached to the old design as it has a history about it. A memory of pre-guild that may show that the site will live on with the work and commitment of people like Mahz. I don't know what logo would please everyone as we all have different taste, but I wouldn't start fighting between ourselves over what we feel looks pretty and looks bad. The only person That's going to be affected by people's views on the logo is Panda, so there's no reason to get butt hurt over someone's personal, and valid, opinion. Edit: all I will say on the matter, so let's move on.