[quote=@Peik] That's perfectly plausible, though the company prides itself on discipline, and an important part of discipline is to know when to fold your cards. [/quote] That's why I find the concept interesting, because from what I've read of the plot Orcs are inherently warlike and undisciplined, it would be an interesting contradiction for us to be fighting for undisciplined 'Orcish' reasons without even realising while maintaining the illusion of being changed 'men' so to speak in the Order, and in the end looking back and realising none of us had really changed at all.