[quote=@agentmanatee]
[@Dawnscroll] watch it,don't insult eachother. Men in the Iron fleet have raided more than fishig villages. There the ones who take castlees and forts
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Where?! We all started out the same territory as three hundred years right now. As it stands, you guys are making it seem like there's nobody who can touch these guys. They have absurd and powerful fighters, they have ships which can 

Anything that might give me an advantage in my own TURF you guys are handwavung away. So you're saying  losing to the Ironborn a few hundred miles inland? Seriously? I cN strategically explain how he'd be screwed six ways to Sunday because of how he decided to attack, but that gets shoved under the rug?  He can just retreat at the first sign of trouble?

The North has had over 300 years to learn naval warfare. Our only enemies have been the greyjoys. We HAD a navy and ships BEFORE the war of the five kings.

But fine, let's go with everything Vhager said and stick with it?

What's my advantage then? Where am I allowed to say "Aha, I have this!". You won't give me the local terrain, you won't give me better fighters, hell I don't even have a good harvest! Where's my ace in the hole, because you've been chewing away all of them.