[quote=@Weird Tales] My problem with Dick is that he lacks character flaws and like Damian said in Batman vs robin he was the perfect robin. Adopted sons just aren't as interesting as having a real son for Batman in my opinion and it's quite clear that Damian is still growing and maturing. Seriously why does every young hero have to be nice? None of the robins have as good of an origin as Damian, the son of Batman and grandson to Ra's al ghul, that's badass. Most Damian haters are just butthurt because Dick is never going to be Batman and Tim's been sidelined. Again blood ties change my view of him and when he's done right Damian is the best. Dick is like the guy who has the excellent resume and the most history, but that doesn't make him better. [/quote] Grayson's messed up plenty of times, one that comes to mind in the pre New52 universe was when he killed the Joker. It happened about halfway into his series before Jason Todd was reborn or anything crazy was happening. He also went deep undercover as Renegade and worked with Deathstroke and others as a legit criminal/fist for hire. He was the perfect Robin because he was the original Robin. Grayson wrote the book on being a teen hero and a teen sidekick. That's like saying you don't like Bruce as Batman because he's the perfect Batman. Nobody's butthurt, Grayson has already been Batman for extended periods twice, with one of them being considered cannon in the New52. Tim's still around, he's just a horrible 90's throwback of a character now as Red Robin in Teen Titans. And the new Batman Beyond. What's your take on Batman #666 where Damian was an older Batman? And the idea he was actually the 'Bruce' who trained Batman Beyond under false pretenses? ~KL~