[quote=@Savato] [@Mtntopview] That ... Makes no sense. You improve something to make it more efficient. Grimlock is now more powerful, technically. Thus better than what Shockwave initially created. That and the Dark Outliners are more logical. [/quote] Well to be fair I'd think Shockwave would be better off not working with Uber, both want the ultimate life form, but if they compete, they can constantly improve to try to one up each other. If they just work together, they would stagnate.