[quote=@Savato] [@dirty slime] I was going to respond with a lengthy post but you seem to just ignore the fact that she's invincible without a specific counter. One touch from her and she wins. What will Palpatine do? Mind control the person who can turn illusions into reality? Right. As for Sora. I don't know what his endgame feats are. Pretty sure he has some dimensional people that could do something but arguably he gets one shotted too. [/quote] Nope. If she can't react fast enough to kill Palpatine before he turns her into a harmless vegetable through telekinesis, how can she take advantage of her invincibility? And that complete invincibility you say is called a No Limits Fallacy, which is HEAVILY frowned upon in debating. Instead, we utilize the most powerful thing a character has ever endured/done as the peak of their power if they can't be scaled to other characters.