[quote=@ClocktowerEchos] And I suppose the fact he's also run his business into the ground even with a "small loan of a million dollars" stills proves him to be a "brilliant businessman"? You want to see his work? Look at Atlantic City, NJ, after his casinos went belly up, he just walked away and let the city and state deal with his mess. AC was supposed to be the Vegas of the East Coast, now its just a casino ghost town. He's also outsourced his company before like his clothing line, made in China. He's also been caught using illegal immigrants as employees just so he can pay them less and not have to worry about stuff like their healthcare. It wouldn't even come to that, Putin would run circles around Trump and out do him, there would be no contest. Putin knows how to play his cards, Trump just bluffs and pretends he has a plan. Want evidence? Look at Syria and the Paris Attacks: >Putin points out how much the US fucked up Afghanistan and Iraq and says we should not get involved in the Middle East anymore. >US backs out of ME >Russia then comes in and starts bombing the shit out of ISIS and getting credit for "taking on ISIS". As they do it more effectively then the US, they steal some more credit and the US doesn't look to hot anymore. >Paris Attacks happens >French PM gives a semi-lack luster response; Putin gives a very strong response >Putin gifts France a Siberian Husky puppy after hearing how Paris police lost a police dog in the attacks. >Putin gets a load of street cred internationally and France lines up behind Russia as Russia "leads the attack on ISIS" That's the difference between a leader of a nation and a reality TV star, Trump would never be able to pull off something like that. If you've paid attention to anyone with a functioning brain, you'll see that [b]we know[/b] Trump is literally just riding years of conservative fearmongering and hate. Sure Trump might be smashing PC norms, but now white supremacy groups are starting to make a comeback after slowly fading away before, now having some to idolize and use as an excuse. Trump has also humiliated America in front of many of its oldest and strongest European allies. When was the last time you heard about Britain trying to ban a president much less a candidate? Something else that's interesting to point out, wanna know who else rode nationalism and discontent to power? Hitler. In fact, Trump and Hitler have some pretty similar rhetoric. Both promise to make their countries great again, used racism to support their rise, entertain the notion of mass deportations and blamed all their respective nations's ills on minorities/immigrants. Let's play a game, replace everything Trump says about Mexicans or Muslims with Jews and see how that turns out. Washington and Lincoln were respected since they could inspire people on more than just the basis of fear and hate. They share very little if any rhetoric with Trump at all; Lincoln pushed for abolition and Trump is pushing for discrimination. Last I checked, those two things are very different. The US may not be perfect, but you cannot say it hasn't gotten better in the past 8 years. We've gotten out of two expensive, pointless wars, lowered unemployment, recovered from a recession and oil is getting cheaper. I'd have to say that's some pretty fine work from a president whose been halted or blocked at every step. He knows how to play the media. Yippie. What are these "friends and connections" you speak of? Do you mean his wealthy buddies? Maybe his father's KKK and neo-nazi buddies? Perhaps other celebrities? Or are they the "smart people" I keep hearing him talk about how he'll appoint to basically outsource his job as president to other people? So he's basically using Hitler's scapegoat, lovely. I've stated before that his own hands aren't clean from what he preaches. Especially with the whole "hiring immigrants to work in his casinos to pay them less". The only people who he's popular with are the conservatives who are dumb enough to by into him. And if he's so popular with Latinos and Blacks, then why are there Latinos celebrities who denouncing him and tell people not to vote for him and a lack of Black supporters at his rallies and endorsements? [hr] No matter what you say, Trump is literally only getting poll numbers from his rhetoric. Most his supporters don't know his policies outside "I'll build a wall" (that is both pointless and expensive) and "Just trust me". Having looked at his policies myself, I can clearly see he has no idea how to run a country or even understand how the spot of president works, thinking that he can some how use his power to strong arm Mexico into paying for his wall. He tried using footage of [b]Morocco[/b] and called it Mexico, you can't tell me that he's smart unless you mean that he's smart enough to know that most his voters won't know the difference between the two. Of course, then there's also the fact that his supporters are basically known neo-nazis, KKK members and the like. Like that one guy who shouted "Seig Heil" at one of his gatherings. And if he's so "strong", then why did he throw a temper tantrum at Megan Kelly? Was she just being too mean towards him? He's also really god damn inconsistent. He's supported more Dems than Reps over the years, even donating to Obama's and Bill's campaigns, switched parties 8 times since 1981, promoted liberal policies of abortion and gun control. Plus he's friends with the Clintons, even praising Hillary before the election. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpKiP_gmDS8]Hell, you can have a debate with no one but Trump like Colbert proved.[/url] [/quote] The fact that you used godwin's law is proof that you are not worthy of a proper debate. Begone mudslinger.