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For instance, Vowzra may be able to create a dimension where Time passes at completely diffrent rates from the universe


Narnia where? xD
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@Legion02 New time of dead?

Either way, I have an idea of what the terms are. And then we have a problem because of the censure/praise abilities that require might: which state we can summon back the dead.
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@DawnscrollI assume that stopping that is what Reathos' character is built around.

But why would Logos want to bring back the dead? That'd violate The Order, right?
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@Fabulous Knight The natural order, yes. But Logos's perception of Order is Order under Him. He is the last person to give up a piece before the proper time: if anything, a death of his hero not orchestrated by him is unnatural.
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@DawnscrollUnderstood. That rather answers Mammon's question to him...
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@Fabulous Knight How do you interpret that. I'm curious.
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@Legion02 New time of dead?

Either way, I have an idea of what the terms are. And then we have a problem because of the censure/praise abilities that require might: which state we can summon back the dead.


@Kho The summon back the dead thingie might indeed be a bit of a problem. As my character is kind of built around taking the spirits (think of them as shattered fragments of a soul) and returning them to the Primordial Pool so they can be 'reforged' into souls. The important part here is that these spirits hold fragmented memories. I'd assume that Slough could imbue a corpse with another soul. Or gods could simply 'resurrect' the corpse into unnatural life. But all those beings would be without memories.

Reathos isn't too happy already about people who live longer than they should. Imagine if a god brings back a corpse to life. Reathos himself would go to rip the body to shreds if he had to. Such thing would be a true abomination in his eyes. In fact, he won't even dare think that a god would have the audacity to do such a thing. (In other words, do it!)
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Does this also give them sentience? --If not, what are the effects?


Not necessarily. It's more along the lines of accidentally putting something where it doesn't belong. Sentience means new souls are created. Slough's thing uses existing souls. If the soul had sentience in its past life, maybe, but the reincarnation process affects the soul itself, as well.
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@DawnscrollWell, if Logos has order as a concept outside of him -- like a set of rules -- then it means that this set of rules is the true essence he advances, and so he by his own logic is not important (only the essence is). If, on the other hand, order is merely what corresponds to his will, then in his mind he is order -- which reduces the importance of order to a mere 1/20th of the universe and the level of any other god.
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@LugubriousI see; I thought you meant Slough'd make new souls. That would be interesting...especially in combination with Reathos. It might be a way to cheat death...
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I'm feeling the Undertale with all this talk about souls
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Undertale feel is not a bad feel
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@Fabulous Knight Well, as I described it for now: when a body holding a soul dies, the soul shatteres into fragments named spirits. These spirits return to Reathos' Primordial Pool.

From that point things seem to be a little foggy so I suggest we stamp it out for real. Either Slough can drain (for some odd reason) from the spirits in the Primordial Pool (which serve as building blocks for souls) and makes new ones. Or the Primordial Pool makes souls out of itself and releases them into the wild World.

Personally I'd go for idea 1.
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@Fabulous Knight The answer is both actually. I'll try to convey as best I can. Logos IS Order. He is the hiearchy, the patterns, the cold logic emenating through the universe. He has a vision of Natural Order; a system that is self contained, self perpetuating, and flawless. Perfect balance of all cosmic things: not stagnant, but neither increasing nor decreasing.

So, he wrote the background Laws upon which all other gods wrote their stuff on. He perpetuates and serves Order.

In the same breath, he believes himself the only one with the will power, the mind, and the raw power necessary to bring this to fruition. The Natural Order has Logos at the top of the food chain like a watchmaker keeping a timepiece regulated.

He is a god because he is a god because he is a god.

He is a king because he is king because he us king.

He is Logos. He is Order. He perpetuates Order. He perpetuates Logos.

Bow and worship and partakes in the perfect system he will bring to pass.
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@Kho The summon back the dead thingie might indeed be a bit of a problem. As my character is kind of built around taking the spirits (think of them as shattered fragments of a soul) and returning them to the Primordial Pool so they can be 'reforged' into souls. The important part here is that these spirits hold fragmented memories. I'd assume that Slough could imbue a corpse with another soul. Or gods could simply 'resurrect' the corpse into unnatural life. But all those beings would be without memories.

Reathos isn't too happy already about people who live longer than they should. Imagine if a god brings back a corpse to life. Reathos himself would go to rip the body to shreds if he had to. Such thing would be a true abomination in his eyes. In fact, he won't even dare think that a god would have the audacity to do such a thing. (In other words, do it!)


Hmm, you'd have to discuss what exactly a soul is with Frettzo and Lugu, because we had necromancy in the last RP. You're going to have to create a system which allows for other gods to bring people back to life exactly as they were - whether this means every god has access to the pool or can reconstruct a spirit into a soul or whatnot. But you'll also have to work out a way to make sense of necromancy, and very powerful Liches who can essentially bring a soul back, full with memories etc.
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@Legion02Idea one with a dash of "some souls can be broken down into large enough chunks that they retain aspects from their original soul" sounds best to me. A lot of it comes down to @Lugubrious, though.

@DawnscrollOrder and balance are not the same thing, no? Order is just the arrangement of things according to some instruction or sequence; in this case, Logos' will. It just so happens that he wills balance. So, hypothetically, if he decided that actually the universe should be made out of fluffy pink marshmallow -- would that become the new "Order"?
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But you'll also have to work out a way to make sense of necromancy, and very powerful Liches who can essentially bring a soul back, full with memories etc.


Why?

WE CAN MAKE A BETTER WORLD THIS TIME WHERE THULEMIZ WON'T EXIST!
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Why?

WE CAN MAKE A BETTER WORLD THIS TIME WHERE THULEMIZ WON'T EXIST!


Yup, we're not having any of that:

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Yup, I have, which is why I'm officially withdrawing as a player. Vowzra will continue to exist, but he will be used entirely as a GMing tool.


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I actually just realized that, over PM, @Lugubrious and I already settled on the first system.

But I'd like to add some stuff just so necromancy works. Spirits don't immediatly return to the Primordial Pool. That's why Reathos is here. He gathers them (or rather his Holy Sites will) and he returns them through him to the Primordial Pool. Now, a skilled necromancer could start attracting the right spirits to him to piece together the soul again.

Lesser necromancy would simply be that they use magic to animate a corpse if that's okay.

For the Pool I'd say that only Reathos can 'access' it concidering he is actually part of the thing.

If @Lugubrious and @Frettzo are both OK with this system, then I guess we figured it all out.
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